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An Old Guy Thing?

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Allan in NE

06-03-2005 04:15:51




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Hi Fellas,

It has been a cold and wet spring here. I can't ever remember the cheat grass takin' over the hay fields the way it has this year.

I know it is easier to spend the other guy's money and maybe I'm just an old geezer stuck in my old-fashioned ways, but it sure looks to me like the spring-toothed harrows should have been drug outta the tree rows and put to use this year.

The guys that got out there and got after those hay fields early have clean fields; the rest look like this. The alfalfa is just now startin' to peek thru.

Allan

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txgrn

06-04-2005 06:41:55




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 What Old Guy Thing? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 04:15:51  
Allan it's all in your head. You recently told us that you were just an old guy sitting around and waiting to die till we came along.

Now you are a springing mustang and nothing changed but the electrical signals running through your brain.....realized that we were such a great bunch of guys and gals that chatting with us was a real uplift. LMAO.

So get out there with your chisels, ON YOUR NEW RESTORATIONS, and get after your cheet..... you old pfart. Grin.

Mark

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Mark - IN.

06-03-2005 21:42:47




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 04:15:51  
And I still see those two ladies running around out there with no clothes on about a hundred feet or so west of that truck parked out a half mile or so behind that bush. You really oughta go have a word or two with them about that. And why are they driving that truck onto your property like that? Maybe they don't know you're the owner? Another reason to go talk to them. LOL.

Pretty dry here in Bristol. Was dark when I got in, but it's dusty dry to the feel. Will see better tomorrow.

Mark

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RJ-AZ

06-03-2005 18:03:08




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 04:15:51  
One way to get that cheatgrass is with a Tripple-K field cultivator with a harrow attatchment. Alfalfa can be up to 4 inches high and still do well after a good going over.



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Don L C

06-03-2005 12:02:33




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 04:15:51  
Hello Allen ---

Is this one of the fields on the new place ? I would go to sleep mowing in a field like that....7' at a round.....what are you going to mow with ?Its great to sit in on you guys talking about farming such vast open fields..... the fields back here in southern ohio are much smaller, but the soil ritcher I am told..... .don



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Allan in NE

06-03-2005 13:00:58




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Don L C, 06-03-2005 12:02:33  
Hi Don,

I think I can save this alfalfa patch if I get in there early next spring and give it a good scourin'; should have been done this spring from the looks of it.

This field is 44 acres and there are two 10 acre plots of grass hay that shoulder it and they just plain have to be turned upsidedown.

Over the other side of that tree is another 50 acres that is gonna get the same treatment 'cause it just has too much grass in it to be much good.

Might have to put some wheat in there for a year tho; they tell me what little alfalfa is there will not allow a new crop of alfalfa the first year out.

I'll have to find a good 14' hydro swing swather/crimper somewhere.

Allan

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old fashioned farmer

06-03-2005 07:39:26




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 04:15:51  
Howdy Allan,

If ya haven't figure it out by my handle, I'm pretty partial to the "old fashioned" ways of farming. I'm not a big fan of the roundup ready stuff but it does have it's advantages. Now, on our farm I team up with the renter on his corn. He puts in the roundup ready stuff and has the local guys spray it early on. I go in later and run the cultivator and it usually does pretty good. He usually gets a pretty good stand of weeds in the field during the time between spraying and cultivating. Now, maybe this is just the fault of the guys spraying it (maybe dilluting the chemicals too much) or it could be that spraying isn't as effective as it should be. Don't know. But I do know that if you have to go spraying multiple times during a season it gets expensive. On alfalfa I really don't see a need for spraying. I have a stand that was double seeded three years back and it hardly has any weeds in it at all. If you get a good stand established then the alfalfa usually does the weeding for you. Now, my buyers aren't nitpicky so they wouldn't complain if they saw a weed in a bale anyhow. I'm really having a hard time understanding the whole economics of farming though. Ya got all these industries that are supplying the ag. industry with super expensive supplies (machinery, seed, fertilizer, spray, etc.) and they keep on pumping up prices as if they know they've found a market that will make them rich. Now, when I started in alfalfa I had big dreams of selling hay for 5.00 a bale to all this "rich" horse people who could afford it. I went after a market that could support that kind of price. So, why are these companies pursuing farmers when they know that most, if not all, are poor?? Does that really make economic sense? I just never could understand why agriculture is the only industry that is regulated to where the producer can't set his own price. Even the oil industry (which is supposedly on a market basis like ag commodities) can just push up their price when they want to. I mean, c'mon. Here in S. OH the last I heard corn was below 2.00 a bushel. I have an old ag book from 1909 and corn was somewhere around 1.00 to 1.25 or so. Sorry for venting but it's hard not to when ya got equipment dealers, seed companies, fertilizer distributors, chemical dealers, and even food distributors (grocery stores, etc.) raising prices and making money and yet here the farmer sits enjoying a good dose of nostalgia in the way of prices from 1960. God bless.

--old fashioned farmer

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Galen

06-03-2005 09:51:31




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to old fashioned farmer, 06-03-2005 07:39:26  
Well - Old - I agree with ya! I'm 43 and take a lot of flak from my brother over having equipment that is 40 + years old. Mine takes tinkering, but it's paid for and does the same thing his newer stuff (that he owes mega-bucks on). My BIL just bought a new Kioti yuppie tractor - $24,000+ (30 HP), along with: rake, mower, baler, and other equipment. He wants to sell hay. Odd thing is, he only has 14 acres, 5-6 of which are hayable. So now he's $40,000 into it and expects a quick return. I get blasted for having 1941, 1949 & 1959 tractors that will drag his (paid $450, $1500, and $2000 for them), because they are "old pieces of Sh*t". Doubt I have $7,000 total in ALL the equipment and tractors I have (buy at auctions or pull 'em from fence rows). Can't understand it. Guess I retained SOME of what Dad taught! I've got 101 acres (mostly pasture/hay), so I ain't no big operation, but common sense tells me : "use a little common sense".

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37 chief

06-03-2005 17:43:33




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Galen, 06-03-2005 09:51:31  
Nothing wrong with the old equipment. The tractor I use in my discing business is older than I am, and I am 62. I put a lot of hours on my old equipment during my busy season, which is now. The tractor I use for mowing is a little newer it is around 40 years old. Keep ther old stuff going. Stan in calif



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paul

06-03-2005 05:50:04




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 04:15:51  
We have dandilions here in the alfalfa up in Minnesota like you wouldn't believe this year. Froze hard a couple times late in spring & knocked the alfalfa back a lot.

--->Paul



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vveathered

06-03-2005 09:29:42




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to paul, 06-03-2005 05:50:04  
I live in MN also. I had very few dandilions but my neighbor across the road has them terrible. My dad calls that John Deere alfalfa. lol I doubt I would ever plant RR alfalfa because I always plant orchard grass along with it. Hopefully next week will start cutting. A few already have.... no wonder it rains every day!



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Roger P

06-03-2005 04:42:56




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 04:15:51  
Roundup ready alfalfa comes on stream this year, it will lower growers costs over time and extend the life of the stand, the seed will be expensive but it will make management a breeze. only way to go.



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jimont

06-03-2005 05:40:01




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Roger P, 06-03-2005 04:42:56  
It'll be a frosty day in July before our farms will see any form of roundup ready seed. I'm really concerned about how much influence Monsanto and other chemical companies are starting to have on the farming community. Why should farmers have to pay a royalty to Monsanto and not be able to keep or sell seed from their crops? Most of my neighbours who have used roundup ready beans in the past have found that it's just not economically feasible when compared to public varieties.

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Allan in NE

06-03-2005 05:11:14




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Roger P, 06-03-2005 04:42:56  
Roger,

Explain this to me. How does it work? The alfalfa itself can stand the hit of Roundup? Is this the $4 seed I'm reading about?

Sorry, this new-fangled way of doing things has me totally lost.

Allan



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Roger P

06-03-2005 06:59:15




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 05:11:14  
Allen,

Well from what I understand the process is the same as the other crops that are Roundup ready,a genetic trait is grafted into the plant to resist the effect of glyphosate, I am no expert but if successful would consider it a breakthrough in alfalfa production, in this part of the world (San Luis Valley, Colorado) we aim for the best of the best in quality, the dairy market pays for and expects quality, if you are in business to supply that market you need only quality alfalfa in the bale, anything less is unacceptable.Yes it will cost more for the seed but if you can take care of the weeds after seeding plus extend the life of the stand by a couple years by keeping it clean then it's a win, win. I do understand the concern of some growers but in business economics always dictate, might not like it but it's a fact of life.

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Tip

06-03-2005 09:15:07




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Roger P, 06-03-2005 06:59:15  
Hate to disagree, but I think you are crazy to get into the Monsanto loop.

First, Roundup is really bad for everything - kills just about everything it touches. Why would you want that in the food chain? It kills your soil so you have to keep fertilizing. Monsanto loves you for thinking it is better, but the only ones making any money are Monsanto and the rest of the chemical purveyors.

Just my opinion.....

Tip

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Bill(Wis)

06-05-2005 05:15:44




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Tip, 06-03-2005 09:15:07  
Hate to talk about it but Roundup is ALGORE approved. Remember him? The ozone man. Disciple of Paul Ehrlich.



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JT

06-03-2005 12:36:21




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Tip, 06-03-2005 09:15:07  
Roundup is a contact killer, leaves no residue in the soil. It is not a soil sterilant. The thing that concerns me with roundup ready anything is the genetics they have to breed in to this stuff to make it resistant to Roundup. I do not understand how it works, so it kinda concerns me.



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Galen

06-03-2005 07:14:47




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Roger P, 06-03-2005 06:59:15  
Roger- Ya mean to tell us that all them UFO's in the SLV aren't helping out with the crops? Then again, I suppose all they ever were good for is a few crop circles..... .
PS - I can't even get Roundup to work in my driveway!



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MN Scott

06-03-2005 06:53:09




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 05:11:14  
It will be just like the roundup ready corn and beans, you can spray roundup and everything but the alfalfa will die. Every thing that is except the weeds that are now becoming resistant to roundup because guys are using it on corn and beans year after year and not rotating chemicals. As for price with the tech fees $6 to $7 a pound would be more likely than $4.



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David A. Hodson

06-03-2005 04:36:51




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 04:15:51  
Shoot Allen I've been cultivating corn (before it started raining) first time in about 7 years forgot how much I enjoyed it David



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Allan in NE

06-03-2005 04:40:39




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to David A. Hodson, 06-03-2005 04:36:51  
Kind of a twist that what we used to deem as 'work' as kids, now is fun.

Life is funny,

Allan



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David A. Hodson

06-03-2005 05:26:43




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 Re: An Old Guy Thing? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 04:40:39  
The funny thing is Allen if it meant running myt old 766 I never thought it was work no matter what I was doing in the field I enjoyed it still do David



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