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YELLOW DOG

05-31-2005 15:41:51

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Read about it in the paper. 70 year old [my age] man trying to pull out a stump.Thats all that I knew. Then was talking to a guy about buying my J D 'B' who happened to know all about it. Same old story, pulling on the 3 point on a slope. Rescue had to put a air bag under the tractor ,Ford I think, to pull him out. Sad.Yellow dog.

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Davis In SC

05-31-2005 21:29:30

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Re: Another tractor fatality in reply to YELLOW DOG, 05-31-2005 15:41:51

A friend has an 8N that flipped back & killed the driver.... Steering wheel is still bent from when it pinned him..... Kinda gives me the creeps when I see it, but it was not the tractor's fault....

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37 chief

05-31-2005 19:42:46

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Re: Another tractor fatality in reply to YELLOW DOG, 05-31-2005 15:41:51

I doubt I will be pulling stumps, but if I need to I will use my crawler. Just how high can the chain be put to still be safe? Or just don't use a rubber tire tractor for pulling stumps. Stan

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Bob/Ont

05-31-2005 20:34:44

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Re: Another tractor fatality in reply to 37 chief, 05-31-2005 19:42:46

Stan you can pull with anything that has the draw, you just have to hitch it right. Tractor drawbars are built to pull and not flip the tractor. People think if they can't pull it straight they need more lift and hitch higher, that is when they get killed. Hitch the chain to the drawbar and if you need lift put a plank on the ground under the chain and it will lever it up. another way is to hitch the chain over the back of the stump and flip it as you pull. If your tractor will not pull it then stop, life is too short.
Later Bob

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MarkB_MI

05-31-2005 18:54:29

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Re: Another tractor fatality in reply to YELLOW DOG, 05-31-2005 15:41:51

There have been a couple of posts here about a proposed law in Michigan that would require roll bars and seat belts on all tractors. Incidents like these are the reason behind it. When this happens to a young operator, it's easy to blame inexperience. A 70 year old man should have had plenty of experience, or else he had no business getting on the tractor in the first place.

I'm no fan of putting roll bars on old tractors, but the fact is that IF the tractor had a roll bar, and IF the operator was buckled into his seat, there's a good chance the old timer would still be around today.

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ROPS Guy

05-31-2005 19:20:14

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Re: Another tractor fatality in reply to MarkB_MI, 05-31-2005 18:54:29

In a perfect world there wouldn't be any need for a ROPS on an old tractor, but, obviously, we don't live in a perfect world. I just don't understand why some frequent posters on YTMag.com are so opposed to using a roll bar.

I know the excuses; they're expensive, they get in the way, they're ugly, I don't need one because I'm experienced on a tractor, blah, blah, blah. But none of these excuses are worth your life.

I don't want to read a story like this about one of you guys or, worse, one of your loved ones. Please get a ROPS & seatbelt for your tractor.

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Steve(OR)

06-01-2005 10:51:14

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Re: Another tractor fatality in reply to ROPS Guy, 05-31-2005 19:20:14

Here are few reasons for the Ford N tractors that may carry more validity for you. Apply these to other old tractors if you wish.

- There has been some discussion as to whether the axle trumpets are strong enough to support a ROPS in a rollover. I've seen pictures of castings that broke in a rollover. In this situation trust in a ROPS is misplaced.

- ROPS require a seatbelt. Because of their design N series tractor seats are poor candidates for a seatbelt.

- ROPS significantly raise the total height of a tractor. N series tractors are small profile allowing them to get in and work under limbs, thru smaller barn doors and such.

ROPS are good to have on the right tractor doing the right job. On some tractors they may foster misplaced confidence. Knowing how to safely operate your particular tractor is more important than ROPS.

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tlak

06-01-2005 15:21:01

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Re: Another tractor fatality in reply to Steve(OR), 06-01-2005 10:51:14

If you jack up one of these tractors with loaded tires and maybe wheel weights and a loader at the trumpet it is probably stronger than thought and the seating area might just get smaller, not an automatic kill zone. I would rather have rops than not.
The rops for the fords says to have an upgraded seat.
The rops is 6-12" above your head, so if you constantly have something in this zone maybe you need to do something about the area or get an orchard tractor.
Rops is for an unplanned accident, not your normal work practices.
I think cost is why more people don't have rops.

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James2

06-02-2005 05:53:27

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Re: Another tractor fatality in reply to tlak, 06-01-2005 15:21:01

The static loading to which you are referring,is one heck of a lot lower then the dynamic loading the trumpet could see if the tractor turned over and the ROPS contacted a hard surface. Might be better on soft surfaces but the induced moment would still make the resultant loading to be very high.

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tlak

06-02-2005 10:23:21

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Re: Another tractor fatality in reply to James2, 06-02-2005 05:53:27

Irregardless, in an accident the tractor would more than likely roll over on it than being dropped from a bomber. Once the case is cracked then you have the internal workings of the rear end with the steel shafts and gears which would not give as much.

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Bobl1958

06-01-2005 08:07:42

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Re: Another tractor fatality in reply to ROPS Guy, 05-31-2005 19:20:14

The bottom line is we can't protect ourselves from ourselves. Say the tractor has a rops. Then the person uses a cable to pull on a stump. The cable brakes and kills the person. Let's outlaw cable. Or the tractor flips over and the rops hits and kills someone standing helping out. Let's outlaw people helping. Or maybe the person get's hit by a car on the road going to a field to pull stumps. Let's outlaw driving on roads, or maybe even cars. It goes on and on. Bottom line is probably more people get killed by lightning each year than tractor rollovers. Common sense has to come into play somewhere along the line.

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James2

06-01-2005 05:50:06

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Re: Another tractor fatality in reply to ROPS Guy, 05-31-2005 19:20:14

There are countless stupid ways to kill yourself which are much easier to accomplish than turning over a tractor on oneself. You figure out a way to eliminate these, then I will consider adding a ROPS to my antique tractors.

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thurlow

05-31-2005 19:29:13

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Re: Another tractor fatality in reply to ROPS Guy, 05-31-2005 19:20:14

I'm not opposed to the use of ROPS..... .or any other protective device; I'm sorry the fellow died, for whatever reason, be it carelessness, stupidity, accident, etc, BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE ANYTHING IDIOT PROOF; IDIOTS ARE SO INGENIOUS. Pulling stumps with a tractor????? That's what track-hoes and D 7 Cats are for..... I've owned everything from "G" Allis-Chalmers to 4840 John Deeres and many in-between; cleared a lot of land, done a lot of logging; can't imagine trying to pull a stump..... .....

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fixerupper

05-31-2005 20:03:00

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Re: Another tractor fatality in reply to thurlow, 05-31-2005 19:29:13

Mandating the use of a ROPS is possible, but making us use the belt is next to impossible. When I was in my teens I helped pull a guy out from under an overturned tractor in the road ditch. He was alive but passed away the next day. My knees were shaking so bad I could hardly walk when we carried the stretcher up the steep bank to the ambulance. From that day on I was a much safer tractor driver. Would a ROPS have saved him if he was wearing a seat belt? Probably. Would he have worn a seat belt? Never.

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Ray

05-31-2005 18:43:23

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Re: Another tractor fatality in reply to YELLOW DOG, 05-31-2005 15:41:51

Just last week near me in western ohio a farmers tractor broke down on the way home from working ground.He and a friend were trying to fix it when a teenage driver plowed into the tractor field cultivator combo killing the 50 year old farmer and the teenage driver. Just last weekend
an 18 year old farm boy shot and killed 6 people
including himself.His sister is still alive,shot in the neck.He shot his grandparents,mother and two other teenage girls at a sleepover at his house.

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Mark - IN.

05-31-2005 16:19:36

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Re: Another tractor fatality in reply to YELLOW DOG, 05-31-2005 15:41:51

It is, and was. Probably done it before and got lucky. Never under estimate a tractor, your day can end very badly.

Mark

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