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Allan in NE

05-07-2005 06:34:16




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Hi Guys,

I'm no drylander, that's fer darned sure, but I've been watchin' with a good deal of interest a feller up the road take an old alfalfa field outta production and switch it over to wheat (I assume).

Anyway, the guy comes in there with a 14 or 15' disc very early on this spring around the 1st of April. The ground was just barely dry enough to be worked.

He disced 'er once and it looks like he got about an 85% kill. I imagine he'll work it once or twice this summer and then drill to wheat this fall. Only downside I see is that he's losing a year's production off the land.

Point being though, is that I would have thought that the old alfalfa would have to be plowed down; guess not.

Is this the way you other drylanders do it?

Allan

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Nebraska Cowman

05-08-2005 11:11:50




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 Re: Never Too Old To Learn in reply to Allan in NE, 05-07-2005 06:34:16  
I don't know nothin' 'bout nothin' but tearing up alfalfa to grow $1.80 corn, $3 wheat or $6 beans don't sound like a big money maker to me. Sure Alfalfa might be only 40 bucks now but let everyone tear it up and get a winter with snow and look out. Hay prices will be higher'n a cat's back and they'll wish they'd left it alone.



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Bill in Colo

05-07-2005 16:58:39




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 Re: Never Too Old To Learn in reply to Allan in NE, 05-07-2005 06:34:16  
I recomend using roundup it will will more than pay for itself in fuel savings,especially if you are going to plow.



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Sloroll

05-07-2005 14:20:56




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 Re: Never Too Old To Learn in reply to Allan in NE, 05-07-2005 06:34:16  
I don't know mutch about alfalfa but I remember the Massy dealer wanted to demonstrate his big tractor with the new inovative frontwheel assist with a subsoiler back in the mid sevnties to my father and neighbor farmers. The sub soiler went down a good foot and a half deep and had wings that lifted the soil and set it right back down in place. It was a compation device. Anyway I never saw a better kill of alfalfa. It was hard to tell he had been through the field but it jostled those roots enough to kill all of it.

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Allan in NE

05-07-2005 08:27:26




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 Re: ever Too Old To Learn in reply to Delbert from Lincoln, 05-07-2005 08:20:51  
Yepper,

It is different out here, that's for sure.

Two choices due to the low moisture. Either small grain or one shot at getting one cutting of hay; there's just no middle ground 'cause on the 1st of August, whatever is there, is burnt crisp. Even too dry for the weeds. :>(

Allan



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Coloken

05-07-2005 06:49:54




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 Re: Never Too Old To Learn in reply to Allan in NE, 05-07-2005 06:34:16  
Sounds right Allan. As an old dry land wheat farmer what you want is: Work it the least you can "money" Leave as much residue on top as you can "wind erosion". Every time you work a field you loose moisture and you only work deep if the soil needs it. Plowing (moleboard)is outlawed here if you want any kind of government assistance (conservation plan) Yes, you loose a crop with summer fallow. thats the name of the game-- to store 2 year moisture for one crop.

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Rauville

05-07-2005 07:10:08




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 Re: Never Too Old To Learn in reply to Coloken, 05-07-2005 06:49:54  
I remember when I was growing up, that summer fallow was a common practice with winter wheat. I believe it was 14 months of summer fallow followed by 10 months of crop. A lot of fellows would wait till the weeds were up in the spring, then use a moldboard plow to turn everything over. The weeds would ferment under the soil and "cook" any leftover weed seeds to death. Seemed to work as well as chemical herbicides in most cases.
Well, I have to run....auction up the road.

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Coloken

05-07-2005 07:58:46




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 Re: Never Too Old To Learn in reply to Rauville, 05-07-2005 07:10:08  
My B.I.L. all ways moleboard plowed. Said it was cheapest summer fallow cause it stayed clean. Worked for him. He died well off.



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Allan in NE

05-07-2005 07:02:09




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 Re: Never Too Old To Learn in reply to Coloken, 05-07-2005 06:49:54  
Hi Ken,

Yes Sir, I sure understand the moisture conservation thing, but what really surprised me was the amount of kill he got with just that old straight disc.

The field has been in alfalfa for at least 6 years that I know of; gotta be some significant "wrist-sized" roots going on there.

I image his timing was key? Like I say, it was "just" dry enough to be in the field the day he worked it. He was dueled up and had that old disc angled as far as it would go.

I might maybe have to pull this stunt on 70 acres and I'm watchin' him like a hawk tryin' to learn. :>)

Allan

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Coloken

05-07-2005 07:56:12




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 Re: Never Too Old To Learn in reply to Allan in NE, 05-07-2005 07:02:09  
Straight disk? hardly see them any more. One of my dislikes, and I think I am alone in this, is trying to kill weeds with a tandem disk. Looks to me like you never kill them all. Summer fallow, you want 100 percent kill so you reduce the number of times you work it. After all, the object is (was untill hobby farmers) to make money. Noble blades are popular here. They are like a 5 ,6, 0r 7 foot sweep. 3 to 7 of them make a unit. 5 7 footer folds up and make a nice unit. Like last guy said..I got to run, a sale down the road. Has a 3 point rototiller on it.
Kenny

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Gerald J.

05-07-2005 08:24:08




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 Re: Never Too Old To Learn in reply to Coloken, 05-07-2005 07:56:12  
You are not alone. I have detected that grasses are encouraged by the disk, not hurt.

I've tried killing alfalfa with a small field cultivator. Didn't work well, Moldboard plow worked best for me.

Gerald J.



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steveormary

05-07-2005 11:09:58




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 Re: Never Too Old To Learn in reply to Gerald J., 05-07-2005 08:24:08  
Allan

But can you retain what you learn.

Would seem to me you could take a cutting or two of alfalfa,plow the field and work it a few times with disk or harrow or spring tooth and then plant your wheat.

steveormary



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Allan in NE

05-07-2005 12:06:58




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 Re: Never Too Old To Learn in reply to steveormary, 05-07-2005 11:09:58  
Hi Steve,

Boy, dunno 'bout that. That old alfalfa ground gets pretty darned hard 'bout the middle of August.

I was looking at that field again this morning. Now that the ground temps have come up, so has about 60% of the alfalfa that he had disced up.

I'm stickin' with the plow method. :>)

Allan



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Roger P

05-08-2005 04:50:01




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 Re: Never Too Old To Learn in reply to Allan in NE, 05-07-2005 12:06:58  
Best bet is to wait until it has good 6 inch growth on it then spray it with roundup, if you mix a little 2-4D it will do a much better job. This method will have a 100 per cent effect if timed correctly and will save you a small fortune in fuel costs.



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steveormary

05-07-2005 17:53:49




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 Re: Never Too Old To Learn in reply to Allan in NE, 05-07-2005 12:06:58  
Allan

You are supposed to have the alfalfa sowed by the middle of August. But I have been told you can sow alfalfa about any time. Sow the alfalfa in dry ground and wait for a rain.

Dont remember what time of year it was but plowed some alfalfa ground with the TO 30. Plow would hit the big roots and the front end would bounce. Did the whole 9 acres that way.

steveormary



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