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37 chief

05-06-2005 23:03:46




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Will 15-40 oil be as heavy as straight 40 wt. at operating temp? Thanks Stan




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lucasss

05-08-2005 05:23:36




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 Re: Multi grade oil in reply to 37 chief, 05-06-2005 23:03:46  
its supposed to be as thin as 15w oil in the winter and 40 in the summer. a multiweight oil is refined down to the lower number weight and additives put in to make it the higher number when in hot weather.so if the additives break down ,you got the protection of the lower number... lucas



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old

05-07-2005 07:19:09




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 Re: Multi grade oil in reply to 37 chief, 05-06-2005 23:03:46  
It should be but I never trust it to be so. I never use them I figure in these old tractors whith who know how many hour on them they need to have say a 30 or 40 weight oil to hold the oil preassure up where it should be. My .02 worth



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txgrn

05-07-2005 05:04:50




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 Re: Multi grade oil in reply to 37 chief, 05-06-2005 23:03:46  
I had a newly acquired Perkins diesel. I didn't like the oil pressure. I kept increasing the viscosity (wasted a lot of oil) and the last two changes were 15w-40 and finally straight 40, all within a couple of days. Yes the 40 held up about 5 psig more gauge pressure under the same conditions. Problem now is that in the winter I have go go back to something thinner. So the next change I just went back to the 15w-40 and remained. Wasn't all that much difference.

Mark

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Leland

05-07-2005 04:16:56




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 Re: Multi grade oil in reply to 37 chief, 05-06-2005 23:03:46  
It's supposed to anyway.



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T_Bone

05-07-2005 04:24:18




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 Re: Multi grade oil in reply to Leland, 05-07-2005 04:16:56  
Hi Stan,

I agree that it's supposed to be but straight 40w always seams to a higher visocity than 10w40. Just seat of the pants meter as I never measured it.

T_Bone



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Leland

05-07-2005 04:54:20




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 Re: Multi grade oil in reply to T_Bone, 05-07-2005 04:24:18  
The multi weight oil works is that at room temp the oil would be 15W at operating temp it should be 40W , but it must work as I have used hundreds of gallons of shells 15-40 in truck motors and never had one problem and it was operating under severe condations always climbing up mountains loaded to the max.



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T_Bone

05-07-2005 19:46:07




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 Re: Multi grade oil in reply to Leland, 05-07-2005 04:54:20  
Hi Leland,

I never stated multi-grade oils don't work, just that a straight weight oil has a slightly heavier visocity than the same multi-grade oil.

As too oil pressure you will notice most mfg's almost never spec orperating oil pressure and only mention minimum oil pressure at idle rpm, usually about 7psi.

T_Bone



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VaTom

05-07-2005 04:31:26




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 Re: Multi grade oil in reply to T_Bone, 05-07-2005 04:24:18  
In my older engines there"s a distinct oil pressure difference between straight and multi. Straight gives more pressure.



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Sid

05-07-2005 06:22:02




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 Re: Multi grade oil in reply to VaTom, 05-07-2005 04:31:26  
Just a few questions? Does more oils pressure mean that the engine is being lubricated better? Does it mean that the oil is doing a better job of taking heat away from working parts? Can too much oil pressure be a bad thing? Do we ever have to worry about too much oils pressure? I have noticed what you have said also but have wondered if it is really a good thing. The pressure does not seem to be drastic but I have wondered.

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VaTom

05-08-2005 05:54:49




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 Re: Multi grade oil in reply to Sid, 05-07-2005 06:22:02  
Hi Sid,

Sounds like Ed knows more than I do. All my engines had considerably low oil pressure. Changing to straight weight helped, but certainly wasn't high. Too high you don't want.

Like you, I don't know if they lasted longer or not. Frequent changes is something I'm good at. Sometimes I get great life, maybe 300,000 miles on a gas engine, sometimes it's more like 150,000 miles. Different engines, so I'm in the dark. There's a 5.2 Dodge sitting in my driveway that will likely go well over 300,000. Never got anywhere close with the Jeep engines.

We've got a new Ford now that I'm running the recommended low viscosity oil in. Pretty sure I read here that new tolerances are tighter and need thinner oil. In a few years I'll know if it works that way.

I grew up in T_Bone's neighborhood with air-cooled VWs in a very hot climate. The only ones that went any distance had oil approaching gear oil viscosity in the engine. They clearly benefitted from a substantially heavier oil.

My old tractors (about that age) get straight weight.

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ED R

05-07-2005 07:25:35




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 Re: Multi grade oil in reply to Sid, 05-07-2005 06:22:02  
A good oil pressure for any one engine is dependent on the volume of flow you have in your journal ports. If a engine has larger ports then the oil pressure can be lower. It only takes about 15 to 20 lbs of oil pressure to maintain a oil film in a .004 to .006 clearenced bearing under normal working condictions. A higher oil pressure and volume will take heat away better assuming you have the cooling cap. for the volume of oil. Higher oil pressure usally means your oil is flowing through reliefe valves which will heat it even more. And running a higher oil pressure takes more power. Cummings figured this out long ago, A new engine would develope about 40 lbs and thats all and 750,000 miles later you would have 35 lbs of pressure. Of more importance as far as oil is concerned is to keep it clean, It dosnt take long for dirt particals to start bumping and jambing in your oil film and start wearing bearings in most of the older tractors using large micron passing filters. Hope this helps

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