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Black exhaust JD 330 Diesel Garden Tractor

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Bug Killer

05-05-2005 07:44:23




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I have a JD330 diesel garden tractor. Been using it for a few years to cut 4 acres of grass. Keeping thinking its going to give up the ghost but it has not, yet. When I engage the mower deck (spindles and bearings are good on deck, idler could use some attention) always been greeted with plumes of black exhaust. The engine in it is a 3 cylinder 18hp yanmar. Anyone have any thoughts on reducing the black smoke. I swapped out the air filter, bled the fuel system, added sea foam to the fuel for the heck of it. Leaves me with thinking I may have an injector issue, internal engine issue,injection pump etc or something else. I don't have a compession tester for diesels may buy one if the price is right. In a 8 cylinder diesel I'd crack the injector to find the rough running cylinder on a 3 cylinder how can you spot one?

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John in WV

05-05-2005 17:46:35




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 Re: Black exhaust JD 330 Diesel Garden Tractor in reply to Bug Killer , 05-05-2005 07:44:23  
Your problem could be the type of OFF-ROAD diesel fuel low 30"s cetaine rating. Anything above 45 less smoke more power.



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Joe MD

05-05-2005 09:11:56




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 Re: Black exhaust JD 330 Diesel Garden Tractor in reply to Bug Killer , 05-05-2005 07:44:23  
Is there always black smoke when the blades are engaged or only a good sized puff when you first engage them?

Our JD diesel lets out a small puff of black smoke everytime we engage the blades.

Always wondered, but with 2,800+ hours on the engine I can't complain.



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Mike M

05-05-2005 07:56:40




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 Re: Black exhaust JD 330 Diesel Garden Tractor in reply to Bug Killer , 05-05-2005 07:44:23  
How many hours are on yours ? JD says to test the injectors and set the valves at around every 500 HRS. My uncle had a 330 and about around 1000 HRS we had to put bearings in the alt. the back one is close to the exhaust and I think that made them short life. At about 2000 hrs he started getting a fair amout of blow by. Don't let your alt. brgs. go bad as his first time it locked up smoked the belt ,then the belt caught the wiring harness and wrapped it up in the driveshaft not a pretty site.

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farmweld

05-05-2005 07:54:27




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 Re: Black exhaust JD 330 Diesel Garden Tractor in reply to Bug Killer , 05-05-2005 07:44:23  
from diesel tractors, a good bit, (dissapears quick) is normal, good bit of power needed to get those blades movin. my new kubota 28 HP diesel sends out a puff of black smoke on blade startup, too. BUT if its real bad then it could be most likley an injector, seein as its a few years old.
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bug killer

05-05-2005 08:19:22




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 Re: Black exhaust JD 330 Diesel Garden Tractor in reply to farmweld, 05-05-2005 07:54:27  
Its a consistent fair amount of black exhaust when blade is engaged -- always has been. A large puff at start up and then consistent plume. Its become a more pressing issue now that I went under the clothes line while the bed sheets were drying....Wife was not so happy with black on white effect, diesel smell. I guess I could disengage the blade when nearing the clothes line and save myself troubleshooting the diesel but that won't stop the wife from poking fun at me and the little JD. I'll check the alternator bearings ASAP. Makes sense since it has the electric clutch on the front PTO -- don't think it draws much but never know. What's the best way to diagnose the condition of stuff in this thing? Compression test and having injectors bench tested? Timing marks? Thanks

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buickanddeere

05-05-2005 08:37:52




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 Re: Black exhaust JD 330 Diesel Garden Tractor in reply to bug killer, 05-05-2005 08:19:22  
Just out of curiosity. Try all fresh fuel and heavier engine oil from a different manufacture. Try a blend of say up to 50/50 diesel and kerosene to see what happens. Have you traced the entire length of the ENTIRE intake AND exhaust system? Weird blckages are more common than one would expect.



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bug killer

05-05-2005 08:58:10




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 Re: Black exhaust JD 330 Diesel Garden Tractor in reply to buickanddeere, 05-05-2005 08:37:52  
Will try the heavier weight oil and kerosene addition to the fuel. No I have not traced the whole intake and exhuast system will do that as well. The machine was new sometime in the 80's so it could be anything. Its never not started so I keep using it as is.



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720Deere

05-05-2005 20:04:20




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 Re: Black exhaust JD 330 Diesel Garden Tractor in reply to bug killer, 05-05-2005 08:58:10  
I have a 332 with just over 1040 hours. It has smoked since it was new in '87. Not real bad unless under a load. It will belch pretty good if you whack the throttle from idle or advance the hydro lever real quick. Does the deck and drive belts turn freely? If it smokes constantly, I would suspect something is a little tight causing a load on it. May even be the alternator loading it if it has bad bearings.

As far as the intake goes, there isn't much there to check. Out of the filter is a very short rubber hose that goes directly to the intake manifold which is a very short run. One thing to check is that the rubber hose is not kinked or twisted. I have seen that happen before. The 330 was only available for 2 years I believe and then it was replaced with the 332 which really just had a few more features. You are probably in the 85 to 86 range. Those little Yanmars don't usually have longevity issues, but anything is possible. Most I have seen have zero problems after several thousand hours, but my dad has a 430 @ 1000 hrs is on the third injector pump. That is a different engine than yours and is the only one that I have seen this much trouble with. Good luck on your diagnosis.

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Bug Killer

05-06-2005 05:38:59




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 Re: Black exhaust JD 330 Diesel Garden Tractor in reply to 720Deere, 05-05-2005 20:04:20  
The proof meter has not worked since I've had it but when it stopped working it was at 2400 hours.
Spun the alternator by hand last night no issue there. It'll run all day after start up without smoking the issue is when the deck is engaged.

The tensioner on the deck is not in the best of shape. Will swap that out before next mowing going to try a heavier weight oil and the kerosene mix as well. After that I'll check the injectors and valves. A compression test also if I can find an adapter.


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720Deere

05-06-2005 08:58:20




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 Re: Black exhaust JD 330 Diesel Garden Tractor in reply to Bug Killer, 05-06-2005 05:38:59  
If it only smokes when the deck is engaged, you have something getting tight on the deck that is loading the engine. The tensioner pulley should not be enough to cause this. I would suspect a tight bearing in the center spindle as the outside spindles would most likely just cause belt slip. Try turning all three deck spindles by hand to check for a tight one. If you had engine problems that caused smoke, it would be more persistent than just when the deck is engaged. Those little motors all smoke pretty heavy under a load.

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Mike M

05-06-2005 07:32:13




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 Re: Black exhaust JD 330 Diesel Garden Tractor in reply to Bug Killer, 05-06-2005 05:38:59  
That is getting some hours on it.Have those injectors tested by a professional pump shop. If they haven't been done before that's about time it may need new tips. Check the amount of blow by coming out of the valve cover vent tube.



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