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City boy in the country, needs help...LOL

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Canadian

05-03-2005 18:02:21




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Hello to all, first I would like to state how cool tractors are, I have been on a tractor kick for a couple of months now. Ok I have purchased a ford 335 Industrail with a loader and 3 pt hitch. Its a 3 cylinder gas that runs great and had my mecanic check it over before buying it. Ok now yesterday I was stuck in some deep mud, and after some time I figured I could pull myself out with the loader by putting the bucket down and moving the bucket backwards....thus moving the tractor forward.

I did this about 10 times and was on a great pace for getting out of my predicament...at the end it seemed like the bucket started loosing strength...It wouldn't pull the tractor forward ???? I got out and parked the tractor for a day. Today I tried the same thing to test the hydrolics and all seemed well used the down pressure to lift the front of the tractor about 10 times, and used the bucket to pull the tractor forward with no probs....

Does this make any sence??? also what causes the hydrolic whine sound? seems like that sound is around when it lost strength?

Anyone know what I should do??? I am from Toronto where there are NO TRACTORS, thus I can't just call a friend and ask as they still can't beleive I think tractors are cool nevermind I know own one!

Thanks guys and this is a great board for guys like me!

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Mike (WA)

05-04-2005 08:27:57




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to Canadian , 05-03-2005 18:02:21  
Good advice from almost everybody- its possible to overwork any old machine, but that doesn't mean that, with some care taken, it can't do the jobs you need it to do for many years to come. As far as you "buying someone else's troubles", thats what everybody does with these old tractors. You just keep patchin' and keeping the old iron going. Some of us think its fun, others get irritated with breakdowns and go spend 20 grand on a new one. To each his own.

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Don L C

05-04-2005 08:14:59




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to Canadian , 05-03-2005 18:02:21  
Why dont you just make sure the system is at the full mark....use the tractor on the job doing what you bought it for....it just could be the system is good enough for you..... .Pulling a stuck tractor through mud with the bucket cyl. seems like a big job to me.....



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cockshuttguy

05-05-2005 17:59:35




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to Don L C, 05-04-2005 08:14:59  
The sound may be the system relief valve operating when the max has been reached.
Personally, I'd use the bucket to force the tractor out backward, rather than trying to pull the whole smear through the mud. May be a lot easier on the ole girl
Good Luck,



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Joe in Minnie

05-04-2005 04:35:32




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to Canadian , 05-03-2005 18:02:21  
First thing you have to do my Canada friend, is to understand that more mature people don't butcher the english language, Cool means "cold" and hot is the opposite. The next thing you have to do, is get a better mechanic, some one who has the experience in hydraulics. You should change the hydraulic oil first thing, but from my experience, a hydraulic pump that losses power when warm, is worn out, sounds like you bought some one elses problems, and that is not what "you" call cool....have a nice day !

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Canadian

05-05-2005 06:36:22




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to Joe in Minnie, 05-04-2005 04:35:32  
Joe in Minnie you sound like a real @sshole. Go buy yourself a newer than 58 DICKtionary and you will see that there are thousands of new words that made it in there, COOL being one! It's also being used in the way I stated it! With your name being Joe form Minnie I can see you use GOODER english than me! By the way back when you graduated it was rare to find a tractor owner who could read the manual that came with the tractor:) , You must of been the sh@t back then EH! Look at joe he's so smart...LOL (lauging out loud)

As for everyone else ...Thank you for your help, Had my mechanic friend over and we found the problem. The Res. was only half full of hydrilic fluid and condensation gets real bad up here with the extreme temps. so there is water in the Hydrolic fluid. Does anyone else on here have a ford 335?

Gonna have it fixed up today. Thanks again to everyone CEPT Joe the MINNIE MANHOOD MAN!

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Joe in Minnie

05-06-2005 05:31:23




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to Canadian , 05-05-2005 06:36:22  
Thanks for your input my Canada friend, we all can learn from one another, I'm wondering where you were when I graduated, those old tractors are still around, just cause we could take care of them. Keep in mind, Cool is Slang --- Slang is Cool, LOL -- but only if your uncommitted or uninvolved. glad to hear you got to the bottom of your problem, remember, us ole guy's will always help you out, even things you don't need help with....

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thurlow

05-04-2005 05:17:32




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to Joe in Minnie, 05-04-2005 04:35:32  
Don't know, Joe, when I was in High School (late '50s/early '60s), cool was used just as he used it. Even say it now on occasion. "Not so hot"..... .."cool"; should be basically the same, but they're not; complete opposites..... ....Personally, I'd rather welcome a new member aboard, rather than critize him for using slang. Occasionally I cringe when I re-read something I've posted; No offense meant to you..... ..

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Bill(Wis)

05-04-2005 16:13:49




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to thurlow, 05-04-2005 05:17:32  
I graduated from High School in 1953. Does "23 skidoo" mean anything to you guys?



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Joe in Minnie

05-04-2005 14:57:29




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to thurlow, 05-04-2005 05:17:32  
Hi Thurlow, No offense meant, None taken, I graduated from High School in 58, so we should be from the same era, however, I went to a school that taught good ethics, and Never butcher the lanaguage, younger ones seem to do this a lot, and there's no reason for it, unless you have poor up bringing, so IF they understand that it's really not needed to get a point across, your much better of then some one who likes to talk silly. If that scares him off, then he wasen't worth the time, when in College, the Professer did his best to scare off students, that left the good ones in place.

there are weak ones as well as the strong, and we need both to do the job, although, we hope the weak will learn from the strong. hope this don't scare you off now, just putting in my 2 cents.

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aFORDable

05-04-2005 18:30:56




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to Joe in Minnie, 05-04-2005 14:57:29  
Joe, no offense meant here but I counted twelve grammatical errors in your above post. My point is when you point a finger at someone notice the three on your hand pointing back at you. My advice is to "chill out!" :)



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Joe in Minnie

05-05-2005 05:47:56




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to aFORDable, 05-04-2005 18:30:56  
Thanks for your input, yes, your right, I'm not perfect, just like the rest, but I'm open to learning, your never to old to learn, but I sure don't do it intentionally.....



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txgrn

05-04-2005 05:43:40




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to thurlow, 05-04-2005 05:17:32  
Cool in my conversations means what Thrulow said, and has to be taken in context.

If you say geez it's cool out here, you're talking about temp.

If you say geez man that's a cool tractor, it means that you like it.

On the mechanic, if I were asked to check out a piece of machinery for someone, I wouldn't drive it to a mud hole and get it stuck just so I could check out the hydraulics. So a problem of the magnitude mentioned could go unnoticed, even for a competent mechanic.


In my opinion, lifting the front of the tractor off the ground and pulling it forward with the hydraulics is hard work for the system and I wouldn't worry about it.

What's probably happening is that your hyd fluid viscosity is thinning in the heat and you are loosing psi as a result. One way to tell, is to carefully feel a hyd lind fitting or some associated metal with fluid inside. If it's hot to the touch your fluid is breaking down.

Whining I associate with vibration. Vibration can be caused by bubbles among other things. Bubbles can be formed when the air trapped in the oil is released like could happen in the situation described.

Once the tractor is shut off and the fluid cools, the air goes back into solution....I'm talking about the air that encircles the molecules of the oil that you can't see unless you put the oil in a glass beaker and pull a vacuum on it.

Like the reverse of that provess when you run your tractor for awhile and and pop the cover on your tranny and look down at the gears and lube and the lube looks milky (but it's only suspended air you just whipped into it).

Good job city boy, just don't be too hard on your equipment. May not last.

My 2c

Mark

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Jb

05-04-2005 08:39:47




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to txgrn, 05-04-2005 05:43:40  
Very thoughtful and positive advice gents. I believe no input at all is better than nothing but sarcasm and criticism. I see very good advice and helpful attitudes from many good folks each day on this site and do not believe this forum was intended to chase people away. City Boy may be the one that helps some of us out one day.
You guys keep up the good work.



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txgrn

05-05-2005 19:54:54




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to Jb, 05-04-2005 08:39:47  
Thank you sir. I get testy once in awhile, but usually it is in the cooperative spirit.

Mark



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Leland

05-03-2005 22:54:19




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to Canadian , 05-03-2005 18:02:21  
Also could have wrong oil in it I have had them foam and do the same thing because somebody dumped motor oil in for hyd oil.



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paul

05-03-2005 19:58:33




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to Canadian , 05-03-2005 18:02:21  
As the others say, cold/ cool oil will make full pressure, hot oil gets thin & bypasses the pump - the whining sound - so it is a sign your pump is getting older/ worn. As stated, how bad, might be shot, might go a number of years.....

--->Paul



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Rod F.

05-03-2005 19:07:29




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to Canadian , 05-03-2005 18:02:21  
Classic sign of a bad pump. Have the mechanic check it out and pressure test when warm. System pressure should be around 2500 # when warm. Good luck.

Rod



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Coloken

05-03-2005 18:21:41




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to Canadian , 05-03-2005 18:02:21  
Guess is that the hydraulic oil is getting warm/hot and thining down, then slipping so to speak. When it cools down it is back OK again. Might be indication that the hydraulic pump is getting worn. How bad is a question.



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Harley

05-04-2005 07:25:01




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 Re: City boy in the country, needs help...LOL in reply to Coloken, 05-03-2005 18:21:41  
Don't know. He sounds pretty cool to me. Likes tractors. Mature enough in his manhood to ask for a little help. Yep, he's cool. Harley



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