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Restrictive Diesel Exhaust Problem

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txgrn

04-25-2005 16:37:17




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One has to pay attention to what they are doing; like one thing at a time.

I recently changed the muffler on my 3 cyl Ford diesel. Didn't run it much afterwards; just enough to see it was as loud as the one that had just fallen off. Parked tractor. Everything seemed ok.

Came time to bale hay a few days later. Cranked up the tractor and everything seemed normal; wasn't paying much attention. Hooked on to the square baler. This tractor has independent PTO and the lever is an ON OFF sort of thing, not a variable engagement like on Deere. Had checked the baler and knew it was ready, but this was the first running of the season.

Idled the tractor and engaged the PTO. The PTO snapped the baler into operation. Now for those that have never run a square baler, there is about a 500# flywheel on the crankshaft that drives the piston of the baler that crams the hay into the compression chute. Actually the tractor's job is to turn the flywheel and it drives the ram. So here I am trying to take that mass and get it going a couple hundred rpm's in a second..... not good on the equipment.

Well I didn't like this at all and wasn't sure that I didn't hurt something cause there were some "sounds" when it started running.

Don't remember everything too well, but the tractor was missing most of the time I was baling and blowing a bluish smoke. Stack had been clean a few days earlier and was running like a top.

Lost some sleep last night. Thought I might have bent a connecting rod or broke a piston ring on the tractor when the baler came to life.

Since we had been talking a lot about engine exhausts lately, and restrictive or not, I decided that when I got up this morning I was going to take the new muffler off and see what happened.

Did so, engine coughed and sputtered and within a few minutes was running clean as a whistle, no smoke, and no missing. HOT DIGGDY DOG!! Didn't hurt it.

Put the muffler back on and back to the coughing and smoking.

Took it off and looked inside and it had a baffle with a reduced diameter hole in it to make the exhaust go thru the muffle part. Apparently that was more restriction than the Ford wanted.

Knocked the baffle out and put it back on and worked fine. It's obvious that this little engine did not want back pressure.

The muffler wasn't Ford OEM. I went to TSC and found one that'd fit my exh pipe and had a lot of muffler area. Was for a MF. Guess MF can tolerate back pressure. Didn't have a Ford in stock and I was looking for a quieter muffler anyway.


So, live and learn.

Mark

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Mark - IN.

04-26-2005 17:33:41




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 Re: Restrictive Diesel Exhaust Problem in reply to txgrn, 04-25-2005 16:37:17  
Hey ya Mark, I've seen that plenty with straight through mufflers and can only think that that design of baffle must be for gas. Even with gas is a horrible design, but one thing's for sure, they usually just tack it lightly, so usually punch out pretty easy - thankfully. Diesel's gotta get rid of the soot and stuff and can't do it with baffles or plugs. Can't for the life of me think of a good reason to put them in, except maybe noise. Kills the breathing though.

Ever get that turbo or straight pipe?

Mark

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JiminIA

04-26-2005 07:27:58




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 Re: Restrictive Diesel Exhaust Problem in reply to txgrn, 04-25-2005 16:37:17  
We had the same trouble with an F-750 a few years ago. One day we put a new exhaust system on, did a tune up changed oil etc. Got all done and truck would not run. Checked and rechecked everything. Could not figure what was wrong, ran ok before. Well it turned out the baffles in the muffler were not punched out so it was solid inside. Took a awile to figure that one out. On another note most all diesels I have with turbos are straight piped..... Jim

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jdemaris

04-25-2005 19:44:15




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 Re: Restrictive Diesel Exhaust Problem in reply to txgrn, 04-25-2005 16:37:17  
I had a similar problem on my Chevy diesel pickup truck. It has factory dual exhaust and when the mufflers went, I couldn't bring myself to spend $160 apiece at the Chevy dealership. So, I went to NAPA and looked up my truck in their catalog, and subsequently bought their mufflers. Truck seemed okay and was quieter than ever, but first time I pulled a trailer and climbed a hill the heads got hot - real hot. I don't have a pyrometer, but I could smell the paint cooking. On two hills, I had to stop half way up and let the engine cool down. I went back to NAPA, took the part # their catalog showed for my diesel and looked around to see where else they were using the same muffler. Sure enough, it was used in many applications, and was NOT designed for a diesel that needs a free-flowing exhaust. They listed it simply because it would fit. I later checked OEM flow specs. on the Chevy mufflers and they flowed MUCH more than the crap NAPA had sold me. So, I ended up buying "show-quality" stainless steel Dynomax 1100 CFM 2" free-flowing mufflers. They are lifetime guaranteed - for real - they should last longer than me. I don't care about the "show quality" aspect, but it's the only way they come. I couldn't see paying $160 apiece for Chevy mufflers and then have them rot off in three years. This episode got me thinking about the many diesel pickup trucks I've seen with overheated cracked heads. I wonder how much of that was caused by using the wrong mufflers?

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txgrn

04-26-2005 05:14:14




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 Re: Restrictive Diesel Exhaust Problem in reply to jdemaris, 04-25-2005 19:44:15  
Well, what I don't understand in the design of a naturally aspired diesel, is how can one accept restrictions and others go to pieces. Seems none would welcome the restrictions. I kid you not, that Ford was going to pieces; just shutting down and burning oil (I guess, blue smoke) and all. If I had left it on very long probably would have cost me an engine.

On the heads, I had a response to my original post about a guy hauling grain to the silo and cracked 2 exhaust manifolds in the process due to a non OEM muffler.

Have heard that turbo's require a very large pipe to prevent overheating. I know on OTR trucks with turbo's they have huge pipes OEM and after market.

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Jon H

04-25-2005 17:56:16




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 Re: Restrictive Diesel Exhaust Problem in reply to txgrn, 04-25-2005 16:37:17  
Glad you found the problem without doing any damage to the engine. Years ago I needed a new muffler for my old 65 Dodge 1-1/2 ton truck. The auto parts place did not have the right muffler for my truck,but was willing to dig through the parts book untill we found somthing that had the right in/out pipe sizes. The muffler we found fit and the truck seemed to run well unloaded,but the first load of grain I hauled shower I had a problem. The truck had no power and ran hot. I nursed it along that busy harvest day and fixed it the next morning. Like yours,mine had a very restrictive baffle inside that I cut out. The truck ran fine after that,but the damage was done,I cracked both exhaust manifolds from excess heat. :(

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txgrn

04-25-2005 18:24:55




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 Re: Restrictive Diesel Exhaust Problem in reply to Jon H, 04-25-2005 17:56:16  
Ouch.



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