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3010 Ken

04-20-2005 04:38:33




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Good morning to all.I'm thinking of buying a sickle mower to cut around pond banks and edges of pastures.My tractor is a J.D.3010.I was wondering what brand and size I should look for?Will these machines operate at levels above or below 90 degrees out from the tractor?How much can I expect to pay for one in decent shape?Thanks in advance!




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cannonball

04-21-2005 06:29:29




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 Re: Sickle Mowers in reply to 3010 Ken, 04-20-2005 04:38:33  
just one thing to remember sickle mowers are designed to run at pto speed..my father could destroy 350 jd faster than i could repair them, most ended up in junk pile..he tried to use foot feed, let off when clogged back up start farward and drop mower then push foot feed..a sickle mower needs the rpms up before you try to push it in grass.... oh yes we run kuhns now....have nice day may god bless

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JMS/MN

04-20-2005 13:42:15




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 Re: Sickle Mowers in reply to 3010 Ken, 04-20-2005 04:38:33  
John Deere made a mid-mount mower- I don't remember the model number- but it ran off the front pto on the 30/40 tractors. Much easier to use when mowing around obstacles than the rear mount or trailing mower.



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dumb painter

04-21-2005 12:37:41




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 Re: Sickle Mowers in reply to JMS/MN, 04-20-2005 13:42:15  
Do you know where to find any info or pictures on these mid mount mower?



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John (MO)

04-20-2005 09:10:12




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 Re: Sickle Mowers in reply to 3010 Ken, 04-20-2005 04:38:33  
Look for a 9 foot bar, belt drive unit, it can be 3 point or trail type depending on what you like or what you find. They work well, but like any equipment you have to use caution and keep it in good repair. You can"t mow trees or brush with them and they won"t cut fence posts so you have to kind of watch where you are going. You can"t mow in road gear and you have to keep the sickle sharp, replace a section now and then and just generally use common sense. Then the mower will do a great job for you. There are at least a couple dozen brands and some are a little better than others, ask around when you see one for sale, you"ll soon learn what people think of different brands and models.

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Bob

04-20-2005 08:09:29




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 Re: Sickle Mowers in reply to 3010 Ken, 04-20-2005 04:38:33  
The John Deere 450 sickle barmower is a "trailer type" and the model 350 is a 3-point hitch type.

Both are pitmanless movers, so that the cutter bar can operate way above and way below horizontal.

They are good mowers, have been around since about the late '70's.

Used ones are often still a bit pricey, but they're VERY good mowers!



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txgrn

04-20-2005 06:01:56




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 Re: Sickle Mowers Yuck! in reply to 3010 Ken, 04-20-2005 04:38:33  
Sorry to be a party poop. I have purchased 3 sickle mowers in the past 25 years and have disliked all 3.

Main problems:

1. Gauging where the tip is. Like going around fence posts especially, the end doesn't swing like you would want it to. It takes longer to get over to clear the post and subsequently a lot of crashing into the posts, and backing up and trying to manuever the tip as now you have lost your spacing from the fence..... ...

On ponds, there is always something in the way you have to cut around or the bank is too low for the position of the tractor and you can't cut low enough.

2. On cutting grass (especially fine stemmed, long grasses used for hay) fields, the grass clogs the mower and it gets in the way of the wobble box on the next round in spite of the doo dads that the mfgrs have improvised to prevent it. Leaves big blobs of cut grass that don't cure (need a tedder to scatter it out; extra expense and extra time in the field) and makes for skipped over uncut grass.

3. If you don't see something in tall grass and hit it, it's curtains; breakaway or not.

4. Going down a fence row with trees and the sickle in the stowed upright position can also be curtains. On the newer Fords (of which I am aware) the sickle stow position is at a 45 degree angle and the bar is right behind your back..... helps the tree limb problem as long as you don't get stabbed..... in the back. Ha.

5. Only operates 90 degrees out to answer your question, unless the trip mechanism got broken on the last stump you didn't see and whacked. Then it's 120 degrees.

6. To prevent the zippered look, and to prevent skipping over tender grass, speed has to be horribly slow and the cutter bar must be sharp. Seldom lasts more than a couple of years.
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Ok critic what do you use?

I have found that the best all around, dependable, cutter for me is the mower conditioner, commonly called a swather. It solves all the problems the sickle has for haying and field cutting (unless I am bush hogging; not hayin; then I use the bush hog type mower and prefer the 3 pt).

To cut around fences and ponds, I use an ordinary lawnmower (lawntractor). The 48" deck or larger is best as the blade sticks out beyond the tires and you can get right on the fence and right around the posts; total control, nice cutting, if you have to stop and back up no realignment necessary with the fence. On the pond, what you can't get with it you can come back with a weed eater and get.

Additionally. After spending thousands of dollars (which I recovered somewhat by selling the implements) on trying to mow the dam on my pond, I found that the same riding lawnmower works best for that too.

No scalping where the dam is domed on the top and no roll over on the slope as you can sit on the side of the seat on the high side (if you're worried) and have a go at it.

I can't mow vertically as there are trees and brush at the base of the dam and vertical just doesn't look as nice as horizontal.....kinda blends in with the length of the dam. Your center of gravity is very low and the mower makes a really nice "lawn looking" cut.

Lastly in going around the edges of things, where trees like to grow, there is no problem with the canopy or exhaust pipe contacting tree limbs. Very big deal for me, and one guy on here had a serious accident by a loader on his tractor catching a vine and pulling a dead tree over on top of him.....Be tough to do that with a lawnmower.

Good luck.

Mark

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Larry NE IL

04-20-2005 21:23:38




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 Re: Sickle Mowers Yuck! in reply to txgrn, 04-20-2005 06:01:56  
AMEN! I agree with just about all said. I didn't realize how much those (usless) sicklebar mowers were worth. I've got an old J.D. 7' that has a bush growing through it, think I'll dig it out and haul it to a sale! I guess I just never had the patience for them. Larry NE IL



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knauffj

04-20-2005 05:28:57




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 Re: Sickle Mowers in reply to 3010 Ken, 04-20-2005 04:38:33  
I think New Holland makes a cycle bar mower without pitman arm. The local dealer claims that it'll cut brush up to 2" think and operate at about any angle, so he says. Kinda expensive though.



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Galen

04-20-2005 04:48:22




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 Re: Sickle Mowers in reply to 3010 Ken, 04-20-2005 04:38:33  
The "pitmanless" kinds will operated at angles above & below. Don't know much about JD, but you should be able to handle a 7 footer (8N does). Depending on what part of the country you are in - anywhere from $100 - $1000. Farm sales are a good place. New they usually are expensive. Ask around to your neighbors - I found a lot of equipment that was not needed/wanted anymore. Got most of it free or next to free. You can check Ebay if you are will to travel to get it.

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dhermesc

04-20-2005 07:07:20




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 Re: Sickle Mowers in reply to Galen, 04-20-2005 04:48:22  
A 3010 will easily handle a 7' or 9' sickle mower. I picked up a good IH balanced head (did need a belt) for $175 at an auction - my brother paid a dealer $700 for the same unit. They do work pretty good on pond banks and you can even drag the head in the water to get a "clean" look. The longer the bar the further you can reach into areas that are too steep for your tractor but it is also harder to guage the end when mowing along fences (steel T posts will bust up a sickle fast).

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3010 Ken

04-20-2005 05:09:14




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 Re: Sickle Mowers in reply to Galen, 04-20-2005 04:48:22  
I'm near Baton Rouge,L.A.Thanks for the advise.



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tanklord

04-20-2005 06:10:12




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 Re: Sickle Mowers in reply to 3010 Ken, 04-20-2005 05:09:14  
Ken, I live over here in Lafayette, and what I use to cut along fences and ditch/canal/coulee sides is my disc mower for cutting hay. It has enough flexibility and does leave a smooth cut. Yes, you have to back up and work around obstacles, but it is a small trade off for a neat job.



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steveormary

04-20-2005 10:54:29




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 Re: Sickle Mowers in reply to tanklord, 04-20-2005 06:10:12  
For manuverability a mower with 7"bar would be better.A 9"bar isharder to manuver in tight places.

steveormary



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