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RayP(MI)

04-19-2005 19:59:25




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Wife bought a 2001 blazer today with Onstar on it. What I'm reading on their website, it uses cell phone facilities for communication, and this model is analog at that. Analog service is apparently going to be dropped in 2008. Where wife will be driving this vehicle, cell service is often marginal, and she has digital service. Anyone have experience with Onstar? Does it work better than a cellphone? Is it worth $17 a month? Am I right that is using cell phone networks?

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Oliver

04-21-2005 09:02:07




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 Re: OT Onstar equipped vehicle questions in reply to RayP(MI), 04-19-2005 19:59:25  
58% of all facts are made up on the spot. In the replies to this question the % is much higher.



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Ducknose Bob

04-20-2005 08:18:50




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 Re: OT Onstar equipped vehicle questions in reply to RayP(MI), 04-19-2005 19:59:25  
I wouldn't use OnStar just because of their idiotic, whiney, commercials.



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Txsprigger

04-21-2005 13:04:05




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 Re: OT Onstar equipped vehicle questions in reply to Ducknose Bob, 04-20-2005 08:18:50  
Amen. Whenever that garbage comes on the radio, I find another station.



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Ludwig

04-20-2005 07:45:48




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 Re: OT Onstar equipped vehicle questions in reply to RayP(MI), 04-19-2005 19:59:25  
My wife and I drove a car to Florida for one of her friends who has Onstar. The friend is of money and told us to use the Onstar because she never has. It was very handy for booking hotels when we were in areas we didn't know anything about. We'd pick a point about an hour away and tell them to find us a nice hotel and they'd call around and then come back with "You're now booked at the Hawthorne" or whatever and have directions on how to get there. We'd say "Well we're thinking of the Outback for dinner" and they'd find one nearby and then say "Theres also a local steakhouse that might be better". We'd usually go to the local place and it was always good. Used the phone a couple times but were never impressed with the voice dialer. It did seem to get good service though and I imagine it'd work better in back areas because the antenna is bigger and more powerful.

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dr.sportster

04-20-2005 05:46:43




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 Re: OT Onstar equipped vehicle questions in reply to RayP(MI), 04-19-2005 19:59:25  
Is that those little buttons on the dash that nobodys allowed to touch cause it costs money? I think just tell people never touch these buttons it costs money.Whats the yellow one do?Dont tell me if it costs money Ill never push it.



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John (MO)

04-20-2005 05:19:31




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 Re: OT Onstar equipped vehicle questions in reply to RayP(MI), 04-19-2005 19:59:25  
Only you can deside if Onstar is worth it or not. When my cell phone won"t work, Onstar always has. I"ve locked my keys in the truck twice in the last few years, and Onstar has unlocked it for me, in just a few minutes and for free of course. I"ve had an engine warning light come on a few times and Onstar has told me what(if anything) was wrong, and once or twice reset the system when there was no problem. I don"t use their phone service if my regular cell phone will work because it costs more, but there are a lot of places on the farm where I can"t get a regular cell phone signal so Onstar is handy then. Thats been my experience with Onstar.

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VADAVE

04-20-2005 04:01:30




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 Re: OT Onstar equipped vehicle questions in reply to RayP(MI), 04-19-2005 19:59:25  
Pitch hit exactly what's wrong with ONSTAR. It is an invasion of privacy! With ONSTAR Big Brother has arrived. the "Authorities" can locate you where ever you are.
ONSTAR came with my new truck--I tried to have it disconnected and the dealership either didn't know how(?) or, more likely, just didn't want to.



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Eric Dean

04-21-2005 07:30:21




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 Re: OT Onstar equipped vehicle questions in reply to VADAVE, 04-20-2005 04:01:30  
Onstar is great when not abused by the FBI. It is part of a reciprical agreement between FBI and NSA that NSA monitor all onstar messages washing them through a computer database that searches for key words that are of interest o them.They(FBI) also have an agreement with Onstar to listen in on people they have an interest in. They can do this remotely at the push of a button. For example you use the phrase, "boy that idea blew up in my face"in a conversation using onstar,the computer automaticaly tags you for further scrutiny because you used the key words " blew up" I know of two guys that were on leave from the military that knew about this program and to make a long story short, they got drunk and started using key phrases in Onstar conversations just to poke fun at the FBI. These two guys woke the next morning in handcuffs on the way to Ft Huachuka Arizona for interrogation. They were eventualy released, but it caused them much grief.

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RayP(MI)

04-20-2005 14:05:39




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 Re: OT Onstar equipped vehicle questions in reply to VADAVE, 04-20-2005 04:01:30  
Have been told that the Onstar system is part of the computer, and car will not run (or properly) without it. If you want, you could probably disconnect the antenna at the Onstar box. That'd be very easy with my system!



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buickanddeere

04-20-2005 06:47:38




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 Re: OT Onstar equipped vehicle questions in reply to VADAVE, 04-20-2005 04:01:30  
Pull the OnStar fuse like the car thieves do a minute afte rstealing you vehicle.



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MarkB_MI

04-20-2005 03:03:51




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 Re: OT Onstar equipped vehicle questions in reply to RayP(MI), 04-19-2005 19:59:25  
The Onstar cell phone service is quite expensive. Your wife should keep a cell phone.

What Onstar offiers that you can't get with a cell phone is:

1. Emergency services are called automatically if the air bag goes off and the Onstar operator can't contact the driver. This is something to seriously consider if your wife will be driving in a remote area where she might have an accident and run off the road where nobody could see her car.

2. If you car is stolen, the vehicle can be located (like LoJack). This can save you money on insurance, although probably not much on a 2001.

The satellite piece of Onstar is strictly GPS for locating the vehicle. Communications are all over analog cell phone.

If you need analog cell phone service, see if you can get a phone that has both analog and digital. You have to ask, because most providers don't want to sell you one.

I have a Nokia 6340i "GAIT" phone from Cingular, which does Analog/TDMA/GSM. Cingular doesn't offer GAIT phones anymore, but if you can find one of these (eBay?) you should be able to get a Cingular dealer to activate it. This is not a particularly great phone, but I have used it in some pretty remote places. Last year I talked to a Cingular dealer who told me they keep a few in the back for customers who need to drive in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, where even analog service is spotty.

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farmall 340

04-19-2005 21:25:16




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 Re: OT Onstar equipped vehicle questions in reply to RayP(MI), 04-19-2005 19:59:25  
wife had it on her impala. We bought 100 minutes and 3/4 of the time it worked. One problem is it uses voice to dial and does have problems with certain voices for numbers like 6 and 8 we had to say fix for it to register 6 and late to register 8. The other problem was we got busy signals sometimes and very poor customer service. There sales is not in touch with there service. just replaced with a cell phone

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OldJohn

04-19-2005 20:18:55




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 Re: OT Onstar equipped vehicle questions in reply to RayP(MI), 04-19-2005 19:59:25  
Ray Onstar can work better than a cellphone, perticullarly in marginal areas. The satelite system has no dead areas like a cell phone tower system. It can be slow to connect and can take a couple days to get your number assigned for the first time. It does work hands free, it does not use cell phone networks. Only you can decide if it's worth 17.00 a month but that only covers Onstar services, phone minutes are extra. Their minutes are generally more expensive than cell phones but deals can be had. In my view, the safety and security are worth it, they are always there. Analog does run out in a few years, but I'm not worring about that now.

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buickanddeere

04-20-2005 06:45:52




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 Re: OT Onstar equipped vehicle questions in reply to OldJohn, 04-19-2005 20:18:55  
OnStar does not up link to the GPS satellites. OnStar only receives location data from the 24 in service GPS satellites.Where the h*ll do people get the idea they are relaying thier phone calls through a satellite 200-300 miles up???
Portable Sat phones do exist but they require direct line of sight to the sky. Had to laugh at work. The dumb *ss engineers ordered Sat phones for Y2K incase the whole phone system failed. It didn't occur to them that radio waves in the Gigahertz spectrum. Are blocked by concrete and steel.
If using a Sat phone in public becareful you don't get surrounded, shot or beat up by a SWAT TEAM. The shape of the phone when held to the head is ok. However when unfolded and held in the hand. The phone looks like a pistil with a muzzle brake.
Onstar communicate with a 3.0 Watt analogue cellular signal from a high mounted unobstructed antenna with an excellent ground plain.
Last fall we were bird hunting way up north beyond any landline phones or electrical services. 40 miles north of town we had clear 100% communications from a hill top.
Even around here TDMA & GMS digital from a 1 Watt portable can be spotty. Depends allot on where you stand, facing which way and if your head or fingers are infront of the antenna absorbing the microwave signals. I tried to find an Analogue, TDMA & GSM phone but couldn't.
End of Analogue service? Much squawk from phone companies. The radio spectrum allocated if very full and congested. One space taken by an analogue channel/one customer can supply 3,4 or 5 digital customer sat the same time. There will always be at least one analogue channel left on cell towers for old cell phones that work on emergencies only. Or OnStar.OnStar could be upgraded with either a software upload or a module change to digital anyway.
Remember 2005 was to be the end of analogue TV signals and channels 50 to 69 ( if memory serves) were to be sold to cellular type service companies. TV channels were to be all High Definition Digital and crammed into channels 2 through 49. Isn't going t happen for a while yet. plus all the screaming about the poor having to purchase a new TV. BTW, most of the poor and welfare types have a bigger and better TV than myself. ( 16 year old 20 inch but it does have a Yes, Big Brother can track you officially with a search warrant.Un officially you are tracked everytime you use a ATM card, Visa card, Interact, regular cell phone ( to within 1/4 to 40 miles), use an electronic toll booth payment or drive under highway cameras. If you have really ticked someone off you can be visually tracked by optical, thermal and "electronic anything" detecting satellite. You lost the last of your privacy in the 1980's. And laws slipped through the system in a knee jerk reaction since 9/11. has signed away any expectation of any privacy or secure personal info. Then again the notion of personal privacy or rights has been only a brief moment since the dawn of recorded time. And that's only in developed western nations from the early to late 20th century.

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thurlow

04-20-2005 07:49:47




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 Re: OT Onstar equipped vehicle questions in reply to buickanddeere, 04-20-2005 06:45:52  
Well bandd; tell us what you REALLY think; enjoyed your rant..... .....



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buickanddeere

04-20-2005 20:23:51




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 Re: OT Onstar equipped vehicle questions in reply to thurlow, 04-20-2005 07:49:47  
You can thank Mrs. Buickanddeere. She was having a b*tch fit that I was on the computer. Re-reading that posting makes me cringe. I never got a chance to proof read it before sending. Old TV does have the SVHS jack. Works good with the DVD player.



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Pitch

04-20-2005 03:39:01




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 Re: OT Onstar equipped vehicle questions in reply to OldJohn, 04-19-2005 20:18:55  
I suppose ONStar would be okay if you go for that kind off thing. I personally am a privacy freak and with that system you are handing some over. I know that you are not a criminal nor am I, but under the Patriot Act the goverment does not need a warrant to tap onstar system as satellite communication does not fall under the telacommunication umbrella.
Nothing for 99.9% of us to worry about but the way things are these days the more big brother has to work to get info on me the better I like it.

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