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JPatton

04-18-2005 19:45:35




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Hey guys I need to upgrade my truck to pull my old tractors around with. Been looking at used Chev Topkicks. My question is does anyone know what all the designations are for Cat engines? Is there a website with that info. Looking for horsepower ratings mostly. Numbers like 3208 and 3116, etc don't mean much to an old 2 cyl John Deere man. Thanks. J




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Rod F.

04-19-2005 21:02:15




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 Re: OT Cat engines in reply to JPatton, 04-18-2005 19:45:35  
The 3208 and 3116 are both throw away engines in the modern scheme of things. They are not intended to be rebuilt in the same sense that a 3406 was. The 3116 is about a 300 K mile engine. By that time, the truck under it has fallen apart, and it all goes to scrap. As far as power specs go, you should be able to find an info tag somewhere on the engine that tells the power spec. I think it's on the valve cover of the 3208. Personally, I wouldn't be too picky about the nameplate. There's lots of old Ford louisville's, International S-lines, and small Freightliners out there that will do the same as the Topkick, and be spec'd much the same. The international DT-466 was a good engine, as were the Braziallian Ford's (for a single axle application). There's also nothing wrong with a Cummins C8.3, or even an older L10 (although a bit dated), or a more modern M11. Even a Detroit 50 series if you see one. Personally, I'd stay clear of a 3208 or any old 71 or 92 series Detroit. If you shop carefuly, you should be able to jump to the mid-late 90's for $10000. I just bought a 1996 International 9400 tractor for 10000 Cad. as is. Cummins N14-435, 13 speed roadranger, 40000# rears, tires 30% 1.3m km (800000 mi). Good working straight old truck. There's lots of old tractors out there, with strong power trains, are good cosmetically, and are still inspectable locally. The simple problem is that on a long haul, little things add up, and down time and lost loads cost too much to run old gear. For what I do, the truck will last a long time, and is a big step up over the old Freightliner I had. There's no need to run an old truck, when you can get a newer truck for the same money. Just be carefull of licencing in your area. For me, it's not an issue, as weight is cheap on a farm truck, and I have a CDL, so I'm covered there. It costs less to put on the road than a 1 ton. Anyhow, this has gotten long winded. Good luck shopping.

Rod

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thejdman01

04-19-2005 11:33:03




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 Re: OT Cat engines in reply to JPatton, 04-18-2005 19:45:35  
as ssaid the 3208 is throw away, v8 more cylinders rebuild cost more to machine block and sleeve it. is a fuel guzzler for pep it has. i would look into an 8.3 or the like. cummins moor used in boats trucks etc parts usually cheap whole motors cheap and plentiful military also was a big buyer of that engine suplus auctions usually ahve 1/2 tro a whole dozen of them.



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thejdman01

04-19-2005 11:33:02




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 Re: OT Cat engines in reply to JPatton, 04-18-2005 19:45:35  
as ssaid the 3208 is throw away, v8 more cylinders rebuild cost more to machine block and sleeve it. is a fuel guzzler for pep it has. i would look into an 8.3 or the like. cummins moor used in boats trucks etc parts usually cheap whole motors cheap and plentiful military also was a big buyer of that engine suplus auctions usually ahve 1/2 tro a whole dozen of them.



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Kevin (FL)

04-19-2005 06:36:42




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 Re: OT Cat engines in reply to JPatton, 04-18-2005 19:45:35  
Bus Driver,

I would go for the 3116 6 cylinder. It took a few years for CAT to work out the bugs in this one but it's turned out to be a good reliable engine and pretty decent on fuel consumption too.

The 3208 is a much older design engine. It's been called a "throw-away" engine because it has no sleeves like most diesels. However a good machine shop can bore the block and install sleeves (dry) if necessary to bring the bore back up spec.

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Bob/Ont

04-19-2005 07:17:20




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 Re: OT Cat engines in reply to Kevin (FL), 04-19-2005 06:36:42  
The 3116 and 3126 engines are bored in the block like the 3208.
Later Bob



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Kevin (FL)

04-19-2005 09:02:14




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 Re: OT Cat engines in reply to Bob/Ont, 04-19-2005 07:17:20  
That's correct, but I still would rather have the newer design 6 cylinder over the 3208 V-8.

So far, I haven't heard the 3116 called a throw-away engine.



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Bob/Ont

04-19-2005 14:53:27




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 Re: OT Cat engines in reply to Kevin (FL), 04-19-2005 09:02:14  
The 3208 isn't either they all are rebuilt in batches for exchange. Just a term people hang on them.
Later Bob



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Bus Driver

04-19-2005 04:43:41




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 Re: OT Cat engines in reply to JPatton, 04-18-2005 19:45:35  
Local grading company has mostly Cat loaders and pans, one JD dozer. They like the Cat equipment, but they prefer Cummins engines for their trucks.



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Farmered

04-19-2005 03:29:04




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 Re: OT Cat engines in reply to JPatton, 04-18-2005 19:45:35  
On my last employment before I retired I drove a
Top Kick with the 3116 Cat and 6 speed manual tranny. I really liked that engine but the transmission was a bear. I would much rather have a 4&2 setup. It was hard to find the slot for the middle shift rail. I thought it would get better with wear but it didn't I pulled a 9 ton DOW goose neck with it. Handled good with any load. Ed



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Jay (ND)

04-19-2005 06:07:33




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 Re: OT Cat engines in reply to Farmered, 04-19-2005 03:29:04  
I personally love the 6-speed. But I know some of them were bears. A friend has one that is a little tough shifting. It's an issue of the top cover on the transmission - simple fix once you get to it. I've had a couple of trucks with the 5-2 transmission and didn't like them. They weren't the end of the world, but I would just as soon avoid the extra maintenance.



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john in la

04-18-2005 21:29:16




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 Re: OT Cat engines in reply to JPatton, 04-18-2005 19:45:35  
A good ball park figure for both of those motors is about 200hp.
A ball park figure is about all you are going to get unless you get down to specifics.
Such as the 3208 for a truck can range from about 175 to 250hp and even up to about something like 400hp in a marine version.

Remember..... ..
If it is not a CAT
It must be a DOG



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Jay (ND)

04-18-2005 19:59:54




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 Re: OT Cat engines in reply to JPatton, 04-18-2005 19:45:35  
I've had 2 topkicks, and by coincidence, a 3208 and a 3116. Loved them both. The 3208 is considered a throw away engine, at least it was in tractors. It was a good engine for me though, it would use 2 quarts of oil in 4000 miles. When I sold it the truck had 100000 miles on it. The purchaser went through the lower end on it as a maintenance precaution and has been running it no problems since - that was 12 years ago. The 8 cylinder engine had plenty of power, but wasn't real peppy. I averaged about 7.5 mpg with that one. My only complaint was the injectors. The pencil type injectors would get dirty easily.

My current topkick has a 3116 in it. That 6 cylinder is a great engine. It's quick and responsive. With 180,000 on it, the only thing besides routine maintenance I've done is repair my intake heater. I change at 4000 miles and it doesn't use a drop. The oil analysis sheets come back great every time. I get 10 mpg with this one - on a road trip I get 11.

As far as the topkicks themselves go - they are ok. Probably not as heavy duty as some, but they are fairly reliable and they ride good. If you travel a lot of gravel (and put on quite a few miles), I would recommend pulling the rear wheels every year pulling the calipers off the disc brakes, cleaning and lube them (I've had best luck with Permatex anti-seize). This isn't just a GM problem, it's across the board on trucks driven in dirty environments with rear disc brakes.

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JPatton

04-18-2005 20:07:06




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 Re: OT Cat engines in reply to Jay (ND), 04-18-2005 19:59:54  
Jay (ND) - Thanks for the response. I have heard about the 3208 being a throw-away engine. Still wondering about the horse power on these two. Any guess? Thanks J



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Jay (ND)

04-19-2005 06:10:59




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 Re: OT Cat engines in reply to JPatton, 04-18-2005 20:07:06  
Each engine in each truck is going to be different. They can set them up however they want. Both my topkicks were shorter wheelbase single axle trucks, the 3208 put out 210hp without a turbo and the 3116 puts out 215hp with. I wouldn't trade that 3116 for the 3208. I carry a pretty big load, and I've never been disappointed in the power. I can climb fairly steep inclines loaded and gain speed.

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Bob

04-18-2005 20:31:23




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 Re: OT Cat engines in reply to JPatton, 04-18-2005 20:07:06  
A 3208 is good for at least 180 HP, the turbo version for at least 225 HP. I have no specs at hand on the 3116.



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JPatton

04-18-2005 20:42:22




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 Re: OT Cat engines in reply to Bob, 04-18-2005 20:31:23  
Bob - Thanks for the info.

J



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Bob/Ont

04-19-2005 05:46:17




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 Re: OT Cat engines in reply to JPatton, 04-18-2005 20:42:22  
They are set up with different Hp's depending on the truck or machinery manufacturers spec's. There should be a plate on the valve cover with this info. The 3208 in a marine application can be set up to 425 Hp but that's pushing things.
Later Bob



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