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Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me?

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young'un52

04-16-2005 16:41:56




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Im getting out of the army in a few months and moving back home to help on the farm. It's around 300 acres. They dont have a big horsepower tractor at home so im wondering which one would suit us best. We need something to due the heavy pulling around there,but i dont think we need anything much more than 100-110 HP.(we farm with 14 foot tillage equipment) Ive been looking at some in the 100-110 HP range (Oliver 1955, JD 4020, White 2-105, IH 806, AC 7010)Any opinions or experience with any of these models and brands, or any models I might have left out let me know.Im tryin to watch the budget a bit. The only other thing is, we have some soil conservation restrictions and the ground cant be moldboarded, only chiseled to preserve some residue on top. So my other question is, will any of these tractors pull a small chisel plow?? Any comments on some of my questions would be great.Thanks guys!!

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Rod F.

04-17-2005 15:16:38




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to young'un52, 04-16-2005 16:41:56  
I couldn't comment on what power it would take to pull a chisel plow, as I have no experience with one. That said, if you are looking for old cheap power, 2 models come to mind. The Ford 8000 and the Massey 1105. They are both about 105 hp. Both were good old tractors in their day. Neither will be very comftorable or stylish, but as I said, they are big cheap old power. $5000 should get either one, if you look around a bit. Just watch the dual power on the 8000, and make sure that it works properly. If it doesn't function properly or leaks or slips, then you're into some money to fix it. Good luck with the farm.

Rod

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cockshuttguy

04-17-2005 14:09:31




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to young'un52, 04-16-2005 16:41:56  
I've run a Ford TW25 for a good many hours pulling an 11 tooth chisel socked in good in fairly tough ground and this tractor has plenty of power for your needs and the prices at sales are quite reasonable. Also, it is fairly good with fuel consumption. You would want duels and front wheel assist if possible.
Good Luck,



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Bill(Wis)

04-17-2005 14:59:42




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to cockshuttguy, 04-17-2005 14:09:31  
The tractors he's talking about are all two wheel drive I believe. Deere has their 6403 on sale for $26,900. Want 100hp? 6603 comes in around 31k. 4wd? About 34k & 38k respectively. Kubota 105S 4wd w/cab is $39900. I agree with you that the Ford TW25 is a great tractor. The ones I've looked at range in price between 20 & 30k. The one I would like to have taken home with me was a near perfect tractor, two wheel drive w/duals, price was $25,995 "FIRM". I'll rest my case with the new ones. Shopping for other new Deeres (7220) resulted in dealer offering 20.4 percent off the list prices shown in the "build your own" section of the Deere website.

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Bill(Wis)

04-17-2005 07:03:22




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to young'un52, 04-16-2005 16:41:56  
If you're serious about farming for 20 years or so I recommend you take a look at something new. If you have to pay 15 or 20k for used and then spend who knows how much to keep it running (and it will always quit at the worst possible moment), why not pay a little more and get something new with a warranty to boot? Granted, your "new" tractor will be "used" in a short while, but at least it will have been used by you and you will know it's complete and total history. When it comes to chisel plowing, if you go to a 3 pt vs pull behind you will be amazed at how much less hp is required. Take a look at what Brillion has to offer. Good Luck to you and Welcome Home.

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Can't even use my name

04-17-2005 14:16:00




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to Bill(Wis), 04-17-2005 07:03:22  
Sadly I don't think 30k or even 40k will buy a new 100+ horse tractor. Going that route you would be better off buying two 15k tractors used. We only paid $6400 for a really nice 2390 Case which are rated at 160 horse.



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Hurst

04-17-2005 06:51:40




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to young'un52, 04-16-2005 16:41:56  
Another brand you may want to consider is a Ford. These seem to sell cheaper used than JDs and in my opinion are just as good in quality. We own a 7610 which is about 90 hp, but with a little turn of a screw, can easily be turned up to over 100hp (one guy I know that rebuilds engines says he has seen one dyno at 125 hp with nothing more than turning up the fuel pump). A bigger and heavier tractor, which for tillage would probably be a plus for you would be an 8210 ford or even a TW series (I think a TW15 is about 110 hp). All the ford cabs I have seen are nice, but we only own open station. If you want an older tractor that will do the work and be a toy to brag about, get an allis d21, which for series 1 (unturboed) are around 107 hp, and for a series 2 (turboed) are around 125 hp. These are pretty difficult to find since not many were made, and parts will be a little expensive and hard to find, so only if you want a toy get a d21, if not, save it for the collectors. If you want cheap hp, look for an allis 190xt series 3. If its not a series 3 stay away, the rearends are not heavy enough. These tractors are about 105 hp. Allis 200, 210, and 220 are also all good big tractors and the good thing about these older ones is that they are much easier to work on. Below is a link to a sight that will give you all the hp, engine size, hydraulic rate of flow, etc for a lot of tractors.

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Leland

04-16-2005 20:28:52




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to young'un52, 04-16-2005 16:41:56  
I would look for a 1070 case they are easy on fuel , the 4020s are getting to be costing more than they are really worth at sales. allis d-17s are nice and can be bought at a decent price And if you want something to chisel with I have seen 2290s and 2590s cases sell for 10-15000 at sales areound here and they are also good cheap horse power.



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jhill

04-17-2005 05:51:28




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to Leland, 04-16-2005 20:28:52  
I have a Case 870 which is a great tractor also. Its 84 hp so might be a little small for a chisel plow but it is a great baler and planting tractor. Real good on fuel.



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Can't even use my name

04-17-2005 06:27:04




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to jhill, 04-17-2005 05:51:28  
A good 1070 would work just fine. We have several and they will pull a 20' disk and a small chisel well enough. All around decent multipurpose tractor. 1270's will definatley pull that kind of equipment but they are only available with 1000 rpm pto. Personally I would opt for a Case and most definatley stay away from that Allis unless you like being in cramped spaces. Then again if you drove a tank in the army you may be used to it. Thanks man.

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Ken S.

04-16-2005 20:05:06




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to young'un52, 04-16-2005 16:41:56  
Allan in NE has the right idea. Another tractor to consider is a 1030 Case.



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Old Pokey

04-16-2005 19:29:55




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to young'un52, 04-16-2005 16:41:56  
First, thanks for serving young'un52. Thanks for keeping us safe and secure. I'm glad to hear you are returning to the farm, that makes you a hero twice in my book. I would ask what your crop rotation is expected to be. If you run much hay or pasture, and have the equipment for those chores now, perhaps J. Schwieberts idea about renting a tractor would work. Which ever works best for you. I'm not sure, but I think the 4020 is 24volt. Sometimes they can be a pain when it comes time to service the electrical. Unless it's allready been converted. I know a little about the AC 7010. They were a fair tractor in their day. At least for us they were. Not sure about parts availability now though. The power shift models sure are nice.

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Gerald J.

04-16-2005 21:03:41




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to Old Pokey, 04-16-2005 19:29:55  
4020D came as 24 volt unless it came with an airconditioned cab. Then it was 12 volt and there is a conversion kit available several places to make the conversion to 12 volts. 4020 gas and LP were always 12 volt.

Gerald J.



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J. Schwiebert

04-17-2005 13:13:34




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to Gerald J., 04-16-2005 21:03:41  
4020 Cosol models came from Deere as 12 volt. Easy way to tell they have the oval muffler, and a montorola alternator. We have one.



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Old Pokey

04-17-2005 06:34:41




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to Gerald J., 04-16-2005 21:03:41  
Great. Thanks for the information. I apreciate that.



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sid

04-16-2005 19:24:10




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to young'un52, 04-16-2005 16:41:56  
So you are getting out of the Army. Welcome home and thanks.



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J. Schwiebert

04-16-2005 19:11:16




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to young'un52, 04-16-2005 16:41:56  
Here is another thought. we probably have not plowed in 10 years. We have a neighbor who rents a disk chisel and a 200 Horse power tractor. He used to rent out chopper. It may pay you to look into that. I have a friend who for the last 15 years rented a tractor larger than his 4020. Cheaper than owning one. What do you have now. Alot of farmers around here don't get 100 hours on there larger farm tractor so does it really pay to have one. My nephew just purchased a used Steiger to chisel with. Maybe 200 hours a year.

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caseyc

04-16-2005 19:04:25




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to young'un52, 04-16-2005 16:41:56  
you need to find yourself a nice 986 or a 1086. they have great cabs on them and will treat you right. an 806 or 4020 are alittle short of 100 horse unless they've been tinkered with. i believe a 986 goes about 115hp and a 1086 goes around 130.

casey in SD



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Gerald J.

04-16-2005 17:35:30




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to young'un52, 04-16-2005 16:41:56  
I'd like to sell you my 4020 gas and replace it with something having a real cab (my 4020 has only ROPS), like a 4230 or 4430 with sound guard cab.

I've been plowing for years, don't have an erosion problem but the cost of fuel is making me rethink that. Last week I took tile probe and could hardly detect any hard pan from my plowing. Iowa winter frosts have made the ground mellow.

The 4430 would pull a chisel better than the 4020, but I can't detect a need for chiseling in this ground. I disked bean straw last fall, and if it dries up some of these days, I'll hit it a quick lick with a field cultivator to mix in fertilizer and go plant.

I wish for a good cab because of herbicides and fungicides that are more and more necessary and I'm less interested in living with some of them out in the open for spraying them and planting afterwards. The lack of a cab limits my selection unless I want to wear a space suit for applying them and for planting.

Gerald J.

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Allan in NE

04-16-2005 17:12:26




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to young'un52, 04-16-2005 16:41:56  
Youngun'

Here's one right outta the field and ready to go. Priced right too.

Ebay link below,

Allan



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greenbeanman in Kansas

04-16-2005 20:31:39




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 Re: Small Farm...Which tractor is right for me? in reply to Allan in NE, 04-16-2005 17:12:26  
Are those really considered "full fenders"?



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