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Honda 3813 - valve problem saga continues

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PaulG1

04-14-2005 21:53:05




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Many of you may recall the recent posts on 13HP Honda engine and suspected valve problems or carburation problems with symptoms of a sever miss - the saga continues.

I tried the Sea Foam at a ratio of 1oz Sea Foam and 6oz gas (volume 2 cups) and ran that through the engine in 5 minute intervals until gone - but no improvement. Hope was it would burn out carbon if carbon buildup resulted from 25% diesel for a total volume of 1 gallon that was run through the engine.

So I bought a brand new carburetor from Honda at the tune of $112 - but no change in performance. It's not a carburetor problem - we know that for sure.

And I know positively it is not the plugs - brand new - not fouled, not the fuel system or the fuel. Let's just say there's no chance of these - the fuel system is all perfect.

So I'm thinking it is either the ignition is intermittent/weak spark or some serious carbon fouling from the diesel inside the head that would require dissasembly. I bought a Lisle spark test light - and at first glance the spark looks ok (consistent that is). But when the miss/cough occurs there is some fluxuation in the spark frequency but it is hard to tell if it is a result of engine speed or a missing spark.

Any ideas on how to positively evaluate the health of the ignition system before I plunge another $100 for a new ignition? I was thinking a timeing light may give better resolution to spark consitency - any other methods?

Maybe I should post an audio file of the engine running - although it is 8Mbytes?

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phil25

04-15-2005 03:40:38




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 Re: Honda 3813 - valve problem saga continues in reply to PaulG1, 04-14-2005 21:53:05  
On the off chance this might help: Have you checked the valve clearances? I had a 13hp that would run great at idle and would speed up smoothly. BUt when load was applied it missed and stalled quickly, because the intake cam lobe was not fully made from the factory. Just enough lift on the intake valve to run the engine,[4thou lift] the valve barely moved when watching it.
Installed a new cam and all was great, if you do change the cam, ithe new one had two timing marks on it[one wrong one right]as it fits different engines, just a assembly note, the engine/valves seize when the wrong mark is used.
good luck

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