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Richard H.

03-31-2005 10:05:10




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This trailer frame used to be a 28 ft travel trailer until there was a mystery LP gas explosion that blew the camper off. It was,,, a double slide so the GVW was probably 7000+ lbs. It is a 2002 frame with only 400 Miles on it meaning the tires and brakes perfect. Unfortunatly one of the now gone camper wizards at our family campground had already started hacking on it before I got it. The bed frame now is 18 ft which is enough,but close for my 861 and bush hog. I want to put 30 in long angle drops on the back at 15 degrees or so to support fold up ramps. On top of the frame I want to make a 4 in channel iron frame for the bed OVER the tires so I dont"t have fenders,(more width). Using 5/4 deck wood for the floor with 2 1/2 channel for cross bracing. Before I go any farther with this thing I would really like imput from you all to tell me if the frame is strong enough? Is 31 inches to tall to safely get the tractor on and off of? If so, how long should the total lenght of the ramps be? Any thoughts would be nice.. Richard

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thurlow

03-31-2005 18:31:38




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 Re: Indydirtfarmer others (pic.) in reply to Richard H., 03-31-2005 10:05:10  
I'll jump in here; my opinion is also worth what you'll pay for it. Hard to tell from a picture, but it appears that the "I-beams" are more the sheet metal type, rather than true I-beams; is there some serious metal, (i.e. is it much thicker) where the different parts (web) of the beams come together? And as Mark suggested, no way would I pull any appreciable weight with a factory bumper. I've seen them bent into a u-shape when folks pulled something as light as a 2-horse trailer. At the very least get someone who knows trailers to check it out before you invest a lot of time and effort.

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Mark - IN.

03-31-2005 17:27:03




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 Re: Indydirtfarmer others (pic.) in reply to Richard H., 03-31-2005 10:05:10  
It's hard to say about the GVW of the frame. Most of them were made by either Beck Welding or Bock, both out of Elkhart. Most axles were made by Dexter, out of Elkhart too. Is hard to say. Would think the tongue would be stamped, or near the front of the frame. Haven't dealt with mobile homes or RVs in years. Not too many manufacturers made their own frames. Actually, as big as they look, they're not that heavy so frames aren't necessarily all that heavy duty. I've seen guys take those kind of frames and try to build themselves utility trailers because they look sturdy, but then bow like no ones business under load because aren't as sturdy as they look. There are a million different mobile home and RV manufacturers up north around Elkhart, Middlebury, Bremen, Wakarusa, Napanee, etc, but if you know who manufactured it, could call them and get the name of the frame manufacturer and call them. Be careful.

Cutting that short like that isn't good, because leaves you an awful lot of tongue weight. From the picture, looks as though you've got a bumper hitch, not a frame hitch. That's what it looks like. Some tongue weight is good, too much is very bad, even with a frame hitch.

Mark

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flugie

04-01-2005 08:28:23




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 Re: Indydirtfarmer others (pic.) in reply to Mark - IN., 03-31-2005 17:27:03  
I agree on the cut off! By the picture, it appears this trailer is going to be severely tongue heavy and that is a really bad thing. I used to design trailers for Winnebago Ind years ago and a simple rule of thumb is the center of the axles should be 2/3 the distance from ball to bumper.



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Mark - IN.

04-01-2005 22:20:39




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 Re: Indydirtfarmer others (pic.) in reply to flugie, 04-01-2005 08:28:23  
Best thing can do is to have someone nearby that knows trailers take a look at it. Can't make it out from the photo.

Trunions is the wrong word, but the spring mounts might not be welded on, some were drilled and bolted, or riveted. Some were set up just like that. If that's the case, might be able to move the axles forward easily enough. Can't make the frame structure out. Most were lite duty for that application. That may not be the case here. Might take some bar stock and welding to get what you need, but at least the frame as it sits is a jig all to itself. I wouldn't give up on it, unless someone near you with trailer experience says "No way". Truth is, can't tell from the photo. Might be a great frame to start with. Can't tell from the photo.

One thing's for sure, if that's a bumper hitch, it's got to go. It won't handle either the tongue weight, nor the tow weight. You certainly don't want to lose that tractor going down the road, and you don't want to hurt anyone. Have someone look it over. Might be the greatest find in the world. Might not.

Mark

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Indydirtfarmer

03-31-2005 11:01:06




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 Re: Indydirtfarmer others (pic.) in reply to Richard H., 03-31-2005 10:05:10  
I'm not really much of the expert on trailers. I'll share my thoughts on the entire thing though. I'd find out FOR SURE what those axles are rated at. Do they have brakes? The frame you're talking about will weigh a good bit. That needs to be deducted from the Gross weight rating to determine your load capacity. (Along with the weight of the frame you already have there) I'd say you're getting real close to being overloaded, even if those are a pair of 3500lb axles. Most travel trailers depend somewhat on the "box effect" of the camper shell to keep a trailer rigid. Without that being there, that frame may be a bit "flex-ey"

Without seeing it firsthand, I'd be afraid to venture a guess on what you actually have.

And for the record, I'm an advocate of OVER-KILL on trailers. You might be able to handle the load in a slow moving situation, but what happens when you hit a deep chuck-hole at highway speeds? What happens when you lean into a sharp turn at speed and most of the weight lays to one side?

JMHO, and worth just about what you paid for it....

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Richard H.

03-31-2005 12:33:07




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 Re: Indydirtfarmer others (pic.) in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 03-31-2005 11:01:06  
The reason I posted you mainly is because I have read a lot of your post and recently you posted a picture of your implement trailer (nice). I know the trailer I"m talking about when and if done will be close to the hieght of yours. So, heres your answers; The axles are rated at 5200lbs each. The brakes are new and measure 2 x 10 inch,electric.

Just guessing I would think the trailer will wiegh about 2200 # give or take. The under frame I-Beams are 8". Combined wieght of tractor,implement,trailer, at the very max would be 7500 lbs. Safety is also my only concern. That"s why I posted this, to get opinions before going on down the road! Thanks again, Richard...really am from Indy

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Dell (WA)

04-01-2005 04:20:43




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 Re: Indydirtfarmer others (pic.) in reply to Richard H., 03-31-2005 12:33:07  
Richard..... .....heck, just replace the cheepie flexable frame with summ 'arrychested stuff. Its the runnin' gear (tires, brakes, springs, axles) that are expensive. Go look at some flatbed trailers that you admire and MEASURE their steelframe. Hey, why re-invent the wheel ...er... trailer frame..... ...Dell



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