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Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!!

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Deere Scotty

03-25-2005 23:25:24

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Been looking at a new GMC Duramax Dsl. Today I went to the dealer to make the purchase, & it had been sold! No problem one would think.

1st question I asked was can You locate another one? Was told yes BUT; no dealer will trade, or transfer! because of short supply. I then said I"ll order one. Then was told GM wont take orders for 05"s, & they were not building 06"s yet. This truck had a list price of $40,588; YET financial anylists in the past 2 weeks have been predicting GM"s stock to fall to junk status soon. Its no wonder to me; when You cant get the vehicle You want without having to wait months for it.

By the way; the vehicle in question was a regular cab 4x4! GM is producing them on a limited basis. The problem is its so limited this dealership in Lebanon, IN. stated they had dealers call from as far as the Carolinas wanting to trade, for it. There are plenty of extended, & crew cabs available; But not well equipped reg cabs (which is all I will buy)! Seems they have a serious supply, & demand problem here!

Scotty

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dieselade

03-27-2005 04:17:36

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to Deere Scotty, 03-25-2005 23:25:24

go to carsdirect.com,,,do your search for your truck and see if one is availabe. it should be there in indianapolis somewhere. thats not far from you.

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CLW

03-26-2005 09:56:12

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to Deere Scotty, 03-25-2005 23:25:24

I was looking for a new regular cab, long bed Chevrolet 4x4 in 1994. Wanted the everyday items on it but wanted different gears and was set on one color. The extended cabs were popular then. They went to there locator and in the whole state of Texas there were 18 trucks. Not 18 like the one I wanted, 18 TOTAL before we got to color, gears and other options. Just said forget it and ended up with extended cab 3 months later that at the time I didn't want. Worked out best in the long run as I didn't know how much I would like the extra space.
CLW

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chvet73

03-26-2005 09:21:17

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to Deere Scotty, 03-25-2005 23:25:24

Try Dodge. I bought my first one in 02 it was a 1500. Then I moved up to a 2500 last summer. Ordered both just like I wanted. Got prices from $500 to a $1000 over invoice. Never thought I would own a Dodge but both have beeen great trucks.

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Deere Scotty

03-26-2005 23:57:00

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to chvet73, 03-26-2005 09:21:17

Had a 97 Dodge!

at 47,500 (95% highway) miles the engine went.
at 84,000 the transmission went.
at 105,000 the transfer case blew apart when a gear broke with the 4wd disengaged! I drove 40 miles 1 way to work. Maybe it worked for You; but I still have a foul taste over that.

Respectfully, Scotty

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Dug

03-26-2005 07:57:59

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to Deere Scotty, 03-25-2005 23:25:24

Scotty,

Reg cabs are getting harder to find because of the popularity of x-cabs. However, a simple web search will find the pickup you want as most dealers are very active with internet departments and can have the truck shipped directly to you.

Dug

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jdemaris

03-26-2005 07:56:11

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Re: Thank the Unions in reply to Deere Scotty, 03-25-2005 23:25:24

I suspect you will see the same thing happening soon with the other major auto companies. They are more-or-less held hostage by labor unions and are forced, to some degree, to pay very high wages and large benefit packages to many workers that are not highly skilled. I'm sure, to many people, this sounds like the "American Dream", but we all pay for it in the end. And, if everybody in this country, no matter what their level of expertise, is paid a high wage and great benefits - then the price of everything will go up accordingly, our money will be worth that much less, and we'll all be back where we started. Maybe then we can call ourselves France? You mention trying to get a truck with the Duramax engine. Why do you think Chevy is now using a Japanese built diesel engine (Isuzu builds the Duramax) instead of using their own? I was working for a John Deere dealer in the mid-80s when the auto-workers union held a strike on John Deere parts production. The union claimed, at the time, it was for two reasons. One, to get more money for the workers at Deere (and for the union, of course), and two - to scare the large auto companies into submission. The mindset was, if they could do it to John Deere, they could do it to anyone. The union won after Deere Co. was crippled for over half a year. Now, as I see it, we've all lost. Yet, how many people gripe about buying Chinese parts? Even that is not always cheap. I just bought some parts for my 1960 Deere 1010 crawler from the Deere dealer. I paid a high price and every Deere box of parts had "made in China" on it. Still paid the normal high price though, wonder why?

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Union Member

03-27-2005 06:28:13

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Re: Thank the Unions in reply to jdemaris, 03-26-2005 07:56:11

You have obviously never belonged to a labor union. I am a railroad brakeman and would never consider doing that work without the union. Unions help keep our workplace reasonably safe, provide good pay and benefits, and help protect us from the greedy railroad's bull%#*@. A lot of the things Americans take for granted today like paid holidays, paid vacations, health insurance, and workplace saftey are because of the struggles of labor unions. It couldn't possibly be the gazillion dollar salaries that the higher up executives get paid that makes their products so expensive.

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dr.sportster

03-27-2005 07:29:53

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Re: Thank the Unions in reply to Union Member, 03-27-2005 06:28:13

Yes its unions,slick willy and the Lewinsky girl that ruined us not the nine million jerks in foreign cars and trucks with the patriotic flag decals stuck all over them.Now whens my tax cut getting here.Oh wait im not rich .Disregard the tax cut.Is Enron still hiring?how bout Haliburton?OH only in Iraq.OK sounds good.

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cowdude

03-27-2005 05:13:06

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Re: Thank the Unions in reply to jdemaris, 03-26-2005 07:56:11

Wonder why the union bashers always put all the blame on unions? I guess their stockholders and it is going down. The salaries of some of these CEO types doesn't have any effect? I can't wait until all these illegals retire from their jobs and start living off the goverment. And all the people that lost their jobs through the corp scandals. I guess that is all caused by unions. Their are a lot of people now retired living comfortable because people before them fought for a decent living wage. But I wonder in about 20 years or so if you won't have to rob a bank so the goverment will give you a retirement home. And then you can yell about that.

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TomR Ont.

03-26-2005 10:27:48

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Re: Thank the Unions in reply to jdemaris, 03-26-2005 07:56:11

So what did the union have to do with the High price of the Chinese parts.

Did you catch the movie Grapes of Wrath with Henry Fonda in it (1940) Last nite.

It's also about, CEO Greed with there Milti-Million Dollar Salaries.

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jdemaris

03-27-2005 07:44:07

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Re: Thank the Unions in reply to TomR Ont., 03-26-2005 10:27:48

So, you don't comprehend what happens to a two dollar part from China, once it is passed through the hands of several highly paid - sometimes unskilled Union employees before it gets over the counter to the consumer? And, Grapes of Wrath? You find this relevant to todays ecomony and society? And, then, you mention highly paid CEOs? What about highly paid union officials? If you work for a a business, and don't like what the CEOs bring home - aren't you free to quit your job and work somewhere else? And, I suppose with your mindset of forcing business leaders and/or owners into "sharing the wealth" - does that also mean you support "sharing the losses" when they occur?

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John Horner

03-26-2005 08:40:07

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Re: Thank the Unions in reply to jdemaris, 03-26-2005 07:56:11

Sure enough, the unions are part of the problem.

How many times in the last 30 years has Toyota or Kubota been effectively out of business due to union strikes? ZERO.

Every time the unions have shut down US factories they have unwittingly driven customers to other companies. Many of these customers are gone forever.

John

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OldJohn

03-26-2005 06:59:30

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to Deere Scotty, 03-25-2005 23:25:24

The salesman/dealer is playing games with you. Yes a dealer trade on a regular cab diesel is difficult BUT not impossible, I can get one in Wisconsin in 3-4 days. Order out has NOT been stopped for 05 yet, they just don't want to wait 6 weeks for your money. I'd find a different dealer. I should know, I are one(GMC salesman). Yeah. The problem here is not GM, it's the dealer.

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03-26-2005 10:52:08

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to OldJohn, 03-26-2005 06:59:30

I agree...it sounds like the dealer is giving you a line. Go talk to the dealership in the next town and when you pick up your new truck in two weeks, make sure you stop by the one you are dealing with now to show off your new purchase. If nothing else, drive by honk you horn and wave!

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Deere Scotty

03-27-2005 00:02:09

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to e, 03-26-2005 10:52:08

I have an appointment set with a Chevrolet dealer in Monday. They sounded suprised by the story too!

Scotty

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Jonboy

03-26-2005 06:55:44

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to Deere Scotty, 03-25-2005 23:25:24

Back when I was looking to buy a used pickup a couple years ago it was kinda hard to find many regular cabs, most were extended cabs. New trucks are all pretty much all extended or 4dr crew cabs, and try finding one on a dealers lot thats standard shift, thats almost like looking for hens teeth (except at a Dodge dealership, then you will find some standards, but thats because Dodge had some big problems with the reliability of their automatics). I think you can go on Fords website and there is a vehicle finder that you can use to view new vehicles from within xxx miles of your home, and can tell it what exactly you are looking for, then once you locate the truck your looking for, then I'd drive to that dealership and buy it there.

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Jonboy

03-26-2005 08:48:51

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to Jonboy, 03-26-2005 06:55:44

Oops, I got to thinking you wanted a Ford after reading some of the other posts. GM must have a similar service though. Try different dealers, and I'd also ask them who has the truck to want and go to them directly.

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dr.sportster

03-26-2005 05:56:58

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to Deere Scotty, 03-25-2005 23:25:24

Im going off topic a little due to your heading.One problem with GM is they give excellent health bennies to the retired employees.The Japanese manufacturers have not been here long enough to have lots of retirees.Now Im thinking I should ride with Buick today.We got guns,beer,food.Lets make some parts runs.Ill bring the earplugs.I learned the hard way never shoot a 357 from inside a vehicle;takes about five hours for the hearing to kick back in.

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buickanddeere

03-26-2005 05:32:47

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to Deere Scotty, 03-25-2005 23:25:24

I will never purchase a regular cab pickup when a three door extended cab can be had. And now with kids, the four door crew cab is excellent. Now there is a place to throw guns,groceries, tools and beer in out of the weather under lock and key. GM like most large companies pay a fortune daily on legal fees defending against frivolous lawsuits. Vulture lawyers and greedy lazy immoral people wanting something for nothing. Government regulation compliance right down to silly things too. The basic entry level vehicles are sold at or below cost just get 1st time buyer loyalty. And help raise corporate average fuel economy.

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J. T. L.

03-26-2005 04:13:51

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to Deere Scotty, 03-25-2005 23:25:24

Went through the same problem back in September of 91 getting my Dodge Cummins. Wanted a regular cab as an extended cab is the uglyist thing to ever happen to any pickup. If you found a dealer that had any version of the truck on their lot, they would not trade with other dealers and any barganing on the price was out of the question. The dealers wanted to keep a least one truck on their lot to draw people in. Ordering a new one meant a 4 month wait at the time. Had to give $18,500 for it back then. It`s my only vehical. Still have it, and have never needed any repairs to the engine as of yet. Do wish Dodge would learn how to stick paint to tin however.

John

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centilbaler

03-26-2005 03:57:22

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to Deere Scotty, 03-25-2005 23:25:24

i had the same problem with a GMC. Its getting harder to find a regular cab pickup

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Ray

03-26-2005 10:02:19

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to centilbaler, 03-26-2005 03:57:22

I was looking for a regular cab,1500 series 4x4, 2 local dealers told me they couldn"t find any in a search but would sell me something else
they had on the lot.A week later I was going through a small town about 20 miles from my house and there sat the exact truck I was looking for on a chevy dealers lot.That was on a saturday,monday morning I owned it.

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Midwest redneck

03-26-2005 03:36:19

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to Deere Scotty, 03-25-2005 23:25:24

Go to another dealer, screw that guy. I would bet that GM would have the truck you want somewhere in a 150mile radius.

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Smitty of Cal

03-25-2005 23:35:31

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to Deere Scotty, 03-25-2005 23:25:24

I have had the same problem with Dodge and Ford.
I finaly lucked out and found an F250 just like I wanted. Ordering is out of the question any more.
Smitty

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Galen

03-26-2005 05:17:09

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to Smitty of Cal, 03-25-2005 23:35:31

Odd - the neighbor up the road ordered an F-250 with all the extras and special paint from a local dealer (in a small town of 1700) the 28th of February 05. He's already driving it. It wasn't a dealer swap - it came from Ford.

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DaveBob

03-26-2005 06:18:52

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to Galen, 03-26-2005 05:17:09

My problem is finding an X cab,with 8" bed.95% are too short.Go to edmunds.com,spec out your vehicle,then search for it at dealerships.Plus,GM has big rebates right now.It"s worth the drive ( only $1000 off on the diesel pus-$4500 on gas)to another state if need be.rebates end the 31st.Dave

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Galen

03-26-2005 06:29:04

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to DaveBob, 03-26-2005 06:18:52

Yup - that short bed needs to be un-invented! I'd buy a F-150 Super Crew IF they would put an 8' bed on one!

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Jon H

03-26-2005 16:57:04

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to Galen, 03-26-2005 06:29:04

I thought the same thing when I got my 2000 Dakota quad(crew)cab with the "huge" 5 ft box. As it turns out the little box only was too short one time in 5 years use. Has been a great little go-fer pickup/car. The thing manuvers and parks like a car. I did not realize how much difference the short wheel base means untill I tried to drive my full size ex cab Chevy with 8 ft box in the same places. Wow, like trying to park an oil tanker without tugs.

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DaveBob

03-26-2005 08:14:07

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Re: Financial woes at GM. NO WONDER!!! in reply to Galen, 03-26-2005 06:29:04

I keep saying these new "trucks" aren't really new-hell,back in the day,they used to make 4 door vehicles with a covered storage/cargo area-they just called 'em sedans!! Heehee

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