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OT- Dove Hunting Fines ?

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Ford Man

03-21-2005 13:53:42




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With all of this talk about seagulls , dove hunting came to mind.

In North Carolina the daily limit on doves is 12 birds.

Does anyone know what the fine is for killing more than the limit ?

I hear tales of guys killing 25 , 30 and even 50 or more birds in a day.

I figure they run their mouths too much and sooner or later will be caught.

Just curious what they will have to pay if the game warden catches them.

I don"t have to worry about killing too many ! Even with too many shells in my gun ! ( $ 125.00 fine but that"s a whole nuther story !)

Ford Man

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Rickstir

03-23-2005 14:13:05




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 Re: OT- Dove Hunting Fines ? in reply to Ford Man, 03-21-2005 13:53:42  
The conservation dept. in MO has a toll-free hot line to report game violations. You do not have to give your name. Maybe yours has one too. I don't know about doves but according to our local paper, the find is $10 a piece for crappie over the limit. I haven't tasted the crappie yet that was worth $10.



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

03-24-2005 17:21:50




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 Re: Ten dollar crappies? in reply to Rickstir, 03-23-2005 14:13:05  
Yeah, right about now I'd cheerfully pay that for a handfull of fresh fillets. They're the best- eating fresh-water fish I know.



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

03-22-2005 16:44:39




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 Re: OT- Dove Hunting Fines ? in reply to Ford Man, 03-21-2005 13:53:42  
I've read that the dove is the most hunted creature in the U.S. What do the hunters do with them? Are they over-hunted because they tend to fly 150 yards down the road and stop, over and over again, or because they taste good?

Anybody got a favourite recipe?

(Are they legal in Ontario?)



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old blue

03-21-2005 19:04:32




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 Re: OT- Dove Hunting Fines ? in reply to Ford Man, 03-21-2005 13:53:42  
Best bet is to call a local game warden and ask him but its probily per bird maybe 25 bucks or so. i dunno im not real into other states game laws only pa's but i know of ppl that do that stuff and id like to teach them a lesson



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Ford Man

03-21-2005 19:45:34




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 Re: OT- Dove Hunting Fines ? in reply to old blue, 03-21-2005 19:04:32  
Thanks for the reply. I really don"t want to get the game warden involved because he knows where I hunt and I do not want to "rat" on these folks because I hunt with them. The wardens were watching pretty closely last year and I think they will be back anyway so these guys will likely be caught. I have warned them but they insist that they will not get caught. I will be legal myself no matter if the wardens show up or not. My 9 year old son will be with me and I believe he should be taught right from wrong. He was with me when I got a ticket for too many shells in my gun last year. The bad thing was that I had made a plug for my old shotgun. The law says that your gun can have a capacity of only 3 shells. I missunderstood and thought that meant 3 in the magazine and not 3 total ! I was at least trying to do the right thing but now I feel pretty stupid ! Anyway, thanks again . I guess I will have to wait and see what happens .

Ford Man

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TomR Ont.

03-21-2005 22:32:48




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 Re: OT- Dove Hunting Fines ? in reply to Ford Man, 03-21-2005 19:45:34  
"I have warned them but they insist that they will not get caught."

When they do get caught you might get the blame.

About five years ago, I warned the guy down the road that the lady next door to me was putting her property up for sale, and he should move some of the cars and trucks to the back and out of sight, because she might call the township. Well you'd have though I hit him up the side of the head.
Wouldn't you know it shortly after our little chat the township came along and gave him notice to clean it up in 30 days or they would, and put the bill on his taxes. He's still mad about it, and still thinks I called them.
So watch what you say it can come back and bite you.

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T_Bone

03-22-2005 01:07:31




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 Re: OT- Dove Hunting Fines ? in reply to TomR Ont., 03-21-2005 22:32:48  
Hi FM,

My son got nailed with the same fine, too many shells in the magazine, 7yrs ago and it cost him $150.

He only had three in the shotgun, one chambered and two in the magazine but still got the ticket as he didn't have the plug in. The game warden watched him unload the three shells but said he "could" have had 5 in before he got there.

He went trout fishing with his F-I-L. They shared a fish stringer as dad had forgot his and had 8 fish out of 10 total allowed. Game warden wrote both of them a $75 ticket each as they couldn't prove how many fish each had caught.

A good friend, USA resident, back in the 70's went moose hunting in Canada with a buddy. They hired a guide service and was in camp with 8 guys, strangers. At campfire they all asked what kinda of license they had, cows or bulls, and 4 guys had cow tags. They then asked the guide if someone of the group shot a cow if he seen a problem with one of the cow tag guys using his tag on that cow. Guide said it was done all the time and he didn't have a problem with it.

His buddy downed a cow and my friend helped him dress it and bring it back into camp where a cow tag was placed on it from another hunter.

Two days latter a game warden showed up and wrote a ticket to my friend for helping and his buddy for shooting the cow. Both guys got a ticket for $800eh plus they lost the rifles on the spot, had to goto court where they lost there hunting privillages for 5yrs in Canada and lost the bull they had killed the day before. Yes, the guide had turned them in.

I would change who I hunt with as $hit rolls down hill and your son is not learning a very good leason.

I think the game warden will ask the same question, how many of the 50 birds did you shoot? Ya, well prove it! Your getting a ticket too!

When your son is older, what if he stands there and does nothing as his friends rob a bank? Your son is going to jail just as if he was in the hold-up.

T_Bone

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Ford Man

03-22-2005 06:10:25




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 Re: OT- Dove Hunting Fines ? in reply to T_Bone, 03-22-2005 01:07:31  
T_Bone,
The bad thing is that they are some of my Wife's people.

She and I agree that they are doing the wrong thing.I do not want to turn them in for the obvious reasons but I am more or less obligated to hunt with them.I am about 99% certain that we will have a visit from the Game Wardens this year. They had planes overhead and at least 6 officers check us last year and they were quite suspicious.If I don't hunt with them , they will think that I turned them in.

As far as me getting a ticket , as long as I keep my doves with me and do not have too many or am seen shooting too many , I will not get a ticket.

I think they will be watching and counting the doves fall.


As far as teaching my boy right from wrong , he was with me when I got my ticket for too many shells. He knows that it was an honest mistake and that I paid the fine without arguing.I am thinking that maybe the best lesson he can learn is watching me unload my gun and quit when I kill my limit and then watching others pay the price for killing too many.Even if I don't think the Wardens are around , I will do the right thing.I have told my son that even if you don't get caught doing something wrong , it is still wrong and God is always watching.


I consider myself to be a good sportsman and am trying to teach my boy the same values my Dad taught me. Lots of folks around here spotlight deer and crap like that. I could easily do it wher I hunt and never get caught but it would be just plain wrong.

I was mainly curious to know how much these guys are going to have to pay because they ARE going to have to pay sooner or later.

Maybe THEY will learn an expensive lesson.

Ford Man

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Matt in WA

03-22-2005 06:56:02




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 Re: OT- Dove Hunting Fines ? in reply to Ford Man, 03-22-2005 06:10:25  
Ford Man,

From what you said, I think you are doing as well as possible, for the circumstances. Apparently, you have made a good faith effort now to follow the regs. You deserve credit for taking the time to teach your son to hunt, memories that will last him a lifetime, if nothing else.

Personally, the government goes to the extreme with hunting regs. and fines in the 21st century. For pete's sake, look what minimum wage is, the price of a bushel of wheat, a bushel of corn, and then look at the amount of the fines you gentlemen have described. I'm sorry but the government seems a little out of proportion on how they set these fines.

Yes, I hunt doves and pheasants, and yes I always buy the license, and "upland bird permit", even though they arbitrarily raise the price year after year, without the average American's input. Sorry, this got so long, just had to put my proverbial $ 0.02 in. It's still a great country, but I believe the government is getting a little too intrusive.

Best of luck, Matt

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