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Dave (IL)

03-12-2005 12:13:14




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Hey, I miss you guys. Decided I really couldn't retire after my layoff so I had to go back to work and have a 60 mile one way commute on Chicago tollroads.

Anyway,...

Son was working for a gravel hauler and they shut down. He wants to buy his 2001 Mack for 55K. He has two places lined up for hauling grain and/or fertilizer. Both say there's plenty of work, but who knows.

Would appreciate any advice on putting together a business plan.

Thanks - Dave (IL)

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Dave (IL)

03-13-2005 17:00:43




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 Re: OT - buying a semi advice in reply to Dave (IL), 03-12-2005 12:13:14  
Thanks for all the comments. I was just keeping my mouth shut and reading them. Printed them all out for my son. He found another potential account today hauling bricks, so at the moment, it seems like there is a fair amount of opportunity. Going to make sure we get John's budget outline filled out.

Jdman, the grain and fertilizer are from west of Joliet/Shorewood so I suspect he'd be hauling to the same places you were. They were only quoting 12c/bushel. Shorter distance or just putting the squeeze on?

Thanks again to all.

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txblu

03-13-2005 05:26:46




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 Not no but Heck no in reply to Dave (IL), 03-12-2005 12:13:14  
Ask yourself why the gravel hauler is shutting down? Maybe he went broke; which is what you will do with one truck. Only question is when.

Been there done that.

I was having problems hauling sand in one of the fastest growing metropolitan areas in the country when D was $1.00 a gal. Was getting $1.40 a hub mile. Had an older truck and no payments so that saved $1 to 1.5k per month in net income required. Insurance was right at $1k per month and the DOT tag was 500 per year.

Speaking of DOT they are always on your case and now counties and towns have their own scales so you are constantly hounded.

Every time you break down (which is often) it's $500 to $1k plus you lost your income for the time you're down so it is double jepordy.

And if you are on the same route it gets mighty boring.

Then there's traffic. Gotta get up at 4 am to get a couple of loads before the 7 am rush hour; then about 10 am that clears out till 11 am when the lunch croud breaks out.

That goes till 1 pm then you have a couple of hours before the 3pm early workers get off and that lasts till 6 pm.

But the pit opens at 6 am and closes at 5 pm. And at the pit are long lines of trucks waiting to get loaded so you sit for as long as it takes you to make a lap..... .and on and on.

Can't win.

Mark

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leland

03-12-2005 18:19:08




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 Re: OT - buying a semi advice in reply to Dave (IL), 03-12-2005 12:13:14  
You won't make it hauling farm goods you need to get into the specialized freight to make a go at it like electroincs or haz-mat loads.But you being close to Chicago you would be better off hauling containers around the tri state area it's not as bad as grain or fertlizer and at least you wear out somebody elses trailer tires.



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Davis In SC

03-12-2005 19:34:34




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 Re: OT - buying a semi advice in reply to leland, 03-12-2005 18:19:08  
& Trailer Brakes too..... ...



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leland

03-12-2005 20:21:17




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 Re: OT - buying a semi advice in reply to Davis In SC, 03-12-2005 19:34:34  
Your right I was leased for 3 years to a company and when I pulled there chassis I never used the tractor brakes saved a small bundle alone there,500,000+ miles and still had 80% of the factory brakes left.



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leland

03-12-2005 18:20:12




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 Re: OT - buying a semi advice in reply to leland, 03-12-2005 18:19:08  
OH PS garbage pays better than grain go figure.



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thejdman01

03-12-2005 18:10:05




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 Re: OT - buying a semi advice in reply to Dave (IL), 03-12-2005 12:13:14  
i own a semi. have hauled grain. speaking from my experiences is where this will come from. RUN AWAY. with that being said RUN AWAY. i have hauled from marengo illinois area to corn products or ottowa, utica, peroria etc. rate was 17c a bushel. with the toll way prices, fuel the license plates absolutly run away. started running back roads to avoid toll roads and then the small towns and cops who didnt like all the trucks started really being sob's. i now only run my own grain and i think in july when the license is up on it its gonna be gone. i got alot better ways to make money. insurance is another thing that absolutly killed me. tolls were terrible. honestly i could make more money at mc donalds then i coudl in my truck. going in at 10 oclock at night to be 1st in line open at 7 and run your a$$ off to get 4 loads in. took me about 3 hours round trip. but you figure leave at 10 1 hr and a half in and your stiting there hopefully could get some sleep till 7 all the time i spent in there it isnt worth it esp if you figure it out per hour. also if i were still doing it i would have to have a seperate system for heat cant stand to run the truck anymore. i say usually 3 hours round truip and if you really pushed you could get 4 but hit one snag in traffic your sitting there from 5pm till 7 the next morning till they open or on a friday your dropping the trailer driving back out bobtail and then get there sunday night to get inline and the trailer sunk in and you got to get a wrecker to help you big $$$. wait until they break down for 4 hours your left in the dark they break down and its honestly been for 4 hours sometimes and that really cuts into your loads and your pay. or if they ahve to switch barges at river ports can kill 1hr waiting. if your going into chicago alot alot depends on the train traffic. they much rather run trains and suppliment w/semis. if your running river ports alot depends on water levels and bids. ive had months where the bids out you cant haul fast enough other months are idle the bids just not there elevators not selling and then water is low at river ports. sometimes mostly consistant but can get dry spells. depends on the elevator and how much tehy sell. for awhile i was busy wrenching hired somone to run the truck workmens comp for truckdrivers was unreal. 13 buck for every 100 dollars of wages. had one great guy treated it better then i did kept it clean drove real well and had pry oh 6 guys after him and they jsut beat it tore it up didnt care. i really dont think its worth it and it iant worth having it around just for my grain. i did make good money hauling sludge out of chicago but thats very seasonal. 10 a ton. also hualing into corn products, if you backhaul gluten a by product have to have a belt or dump trailer but cattle operatoions use it for feed if can backhaul can help ssupplement pay. dont get as many loads but paid both ways

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skipper

03-12-2005 17:13:53




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 Re: OT - buying a semi advice in reply to Dave (IL), 03-12-2005 12:13:14  
Dave: PLEASE go the want ads in a large metropolitan newspaper. Look at the help wanted section. There will prodably be three times more driver wanted jobs than any other classification, except maybe nurses. There is a reason for that. With 75% to 100% turnover ratios there must be a reason and it is because if a trucker is honest about the hours he is expected to put in away from home to make a living he doesn"t usually make minimun wage. Owning the truck is NOT the answer unless he has some EXCEPTIONAL contacts. Try an outfit with a rent to own or lease purchase FIRST. If he can make it then and wants that lifestyle at least he will have something to start with. All those owner operators with big fancy trucks usually started working their way up over a long time to get the contacts and fancy trucks. I had my own authority for 10 years and my own truck. HORRIBLE lifestyle for me. Some people like it though. I never thought in this day and age there could be as much abuse in the work force as what I seen there including shippers, recievers, and government bureaucy. The $15000 to start off is nothing. Fuel, tires, repairs, insurance, and EXPENSIVE eating out all the time as well as an unhealthy life style at minimun wage is the norm. Expect to miss a lot of home life in order to keep up the payments for everybody. Sorry to speak out like that. Trying to give my experience away cheap.

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cockshutt446

03-12-2005 16:00:15




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 Re: OT - buying a semi advice in reply to Dave (IL), 03-12-2005 12:13:14  
It can be done but you cant take any crap from anyone as iI have found out ask your perspective partys what the turn over is on the pay. I went with guys who had good paying stuff but took 60 or 90 days to get a check out of them and sometimes longer and then not get paid in full its a long time to carry all the bills. I have found it easyer to take a lot less money with the company im with now and have been four or five years and I get paid weekly lot less tension if its not there in a week you walk in and ask them where it is instead of getting in so deep you cant get away from them.I get paid in full every week not much left over but still better than working for someone else It changes from you gotta to can you . Im glad I did it

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polarisdiesel

03-12-2005 15:49:25




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 Re: OT - buying a semi advice in reply to Dave (IL), 03-12-2005 12:13:14  
Like momma use to say RUN Forest Run Dont DO it



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john in la

03-12-2005 14:32:57




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 Re: OT - buying a semi advice in reply to Dave (IL), 03-12-2005 12:13:14  

A business plan for owning a truck.
Go out and get caught smuggling drugs into the country so they can take your CDL away for life. You will be better off.
LOL

Really it all comes down to who you haul for. You put the answer you are looking for in your post. but who knows

I know nothing about hauling it but it seems to me that grain and/or fertilizer would be a spring and fall job. You need a year round job. Then if you have one some fool wants to do it cheaper so you are out looking for work.

It cost my company over $20,000 a month to keep a truck on the road. We do have a new leased truck and trailer; and that does include driver pay but as you can see it takes mega bucks.

I assume you will be hauling for some one else so you will be under there lease. Even if he is a private carrier and has no authority you can still lease to him and pull under his private carrier authority. You need to check to see what he pays and what he pays for. Some but not all provide the base plate; insurance; reduced fuel prices; ect..... You pay for it in the long run through reduced pay per load.

But to put together a plan for a one truck business would look like this. 1)Truck note
2)Trailer note
3)Insurance
4)Payroll (what you need to make)
5)Payroll Taxes (you need to pay the business side of SS. Extra 7%)
6)Fuel (figured at 5 to 6 mpg and what you figure fuel to cost) We got 7.5 average out of our 2000 Pete but some do not get that.
7)Maintence (oil changes and repairs)
8)Tires (one set per driver per year if you buy new. More for caps)
9)Tempoary Rental Truck (you may need this one day)
10)Dot Safety inspection
11)Home office/ Miscellaneous
Again this assumes you need no authority or IFTA sticker because it is provided in the lease.

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the tractor vet

03-12-2005 13:31:38




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 Re: OT - buying a semi advice in reply to Dave (IL), 03-12-2005 12:13:14  
They always paint a rosie picture for you but you are the one with the payments and all the problems . I had my owen for seven years and was lucky that i only lost 15000 to get rid of it . Today with the high cost of insurance and fuel and all your road taxes most of what you make goes back to the truck in one form or other just when you think that you have some bucks in the checking account it needs something and just about everything is a grand or more and you are ahuling for less then we got for the same freight back in the 70's and 80's and everything is three or four time as much . Drive tires use to cost 180 buck a tire now they are getting colse to 400 and it need s 8 and if you are planing to pull a dump trailer it's hard to get them insured and if by chance it falls over and plays dead you'll get dropped.

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Harley

03-12-2005 13:03:41




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 Re: OT - buying a semi advice in reply to Dave (IL), 03-12-2005 12:13:14  
It can be done, have done it, but as others on here will attest, especially with fuel prices the way they are. There are two really fast ways to go broke. Farming, and trying to own your own truck. And also, if it has t-ts or wheels, sooner or later it is gonna cause you grief. :-) Harley



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Ray

03-12-2005 16:41:10




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 Re: OT - buying a semi advice in reply to Harley, 03-12-2005 13:03:41  
Several local company"s have gotten rid of there
trucks,they can hire it hauled cheaper.A local gravel company just sold 20 macks with dump trailers.An Air conditioner company sold there over the road trucks sighting red tape,repairs,
finding good drivers.



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