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StephenMO

03-10-2005 18:34:05




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We cant get our 2010 to fire. My grandpa owned it before he died and it was passsed on to my dad. My grandpa had worked on it for several years and couldn't get it running. I am 16 years old and am trying to get it running and am having a hard time.The crawler hasn't ran in at least 6 years but had fortunatly been sitting in a shed. Two of the valves were stuck and i got them loose and replaced the coil,condenser,fuel lines,some wires,spark plugs and wires,and the rotor. Also it didn't have a switch so i had one in my barn that I think was made for a lawn mower but had the same connections as the crawler. I can get it to turn over and sometimes have spark. sometimes its week and sometimes its bright blue. When I put the spark plugs back in the engine it seemed like it didn't have no spark. It wouldn't fire even though I primed the cylinders with a little gas. When I worked on it in the fall I shot a little ether in the carb and smoke did roll out of the exhaust but it would not fire. After a while of cranking it backfired really really load. I will have to admit it scared me! It backfired 2 times after craking and working on it for about 2 hours. I don't know what the order is for the plug wires that enter the distributer cap, such as what cylinder plug wire should go where into the cap. What should I do, I have run out of ideas and need some pointers. Every day I think about it one day running and that is the only thing that keeps me working on it and that knowing my grandpa will be proud if I get it running. He worked for John Deere back in the day and he worked and worked on the 2010 industrial crawler/highlift. I really want to get it running and if anybody could tell me want else to do or give me a checklist to go through or anything it would greatly be aprieciated. Thanks to everyone who has helped me and thanks to everyone on this board. Stephen

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jdemaris

03-10-2005 20:28:31




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 Re: 2010 JD crawler in reply to StephenMO, 03-10-2005 18:34:05  
There are so many things that could be wrong with it it's kind of hard to come up with a check list - especially with a machine that hasn't run in quite awhile - and not knowing what's been done to it along the way. You mentioned putting a lawn mower igntion switch in it - hopefully from a battery ignition mower and not a magneto mower? A magneto mower swith won't work. First, you have to ascertain you've got the essentials - compression, spark, and fuel. There's no sense fooling with it until you know you have compression - so pull the plugs, put a gauge in it and find out. If it has generally the same compression in all four cylinders (assuming it's not all zeros and hopefully 100 PSI or over), next check for spark. Pull one of the plug wires off, put a spark plug in the end of it, a lay the plug anywhere on the engine so it's grounded. Crank the engine. If you see spark, then next break or bend the electrode in the plug so it has a 1/4" gap (more of less). Then crank again. If the spark has now disappeared, it's too weak. If you have no spark at all - with a normal gap or the expanded "test gap", try the test again with the coil wire instead of a spark plug wire. If spark is now good - you've got a problem in the cap and/or rotor. If the spark is still no good - it's time to check the points for making and breaking, power to the coil, etc. If in doubt about power to the coil, try running a jumper wire to it right from the battery and see if it makes a difference. If you've had good spark all along, and you know you have compression, then check to see if you're getting spark at the correct time. Pull out number one spark plug, crank the engine in it's normal direction, pull the timing window/cover off by the flywheel, and get the engine on DC (top dead center) on the compression stroke. You'll know when it's on compression stroke if you feel compression building up in the spark plug hole just as the engine is getting close to the DC mark on the flywheel. If you're 180 degrees off on the exhaust stroke, you won't feel any pressure. Once you have it on DC of the compression stroke, it should fire (make spark) on number one spark plug wire. If not, find out why. If someone has had the oil pump out of the engine, the pump has to be timed of you won't get the ignition in time. If you have spark at number one cylinder at the correct time, then check the rest of the wires to make sure they are on the cap in the right order. Engine firing order is 1-3-4-2 - and looking down at the distributor cap, they fire in counter-clockwise rotation. I won't go on any further for now. You've got to have some level of expertise of mechancics or my explaining this won't be of much use. So, if this makes sense to you - then try it and repost.

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StephenMO

03-11-2005 12:46:06




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 Re: 2010 JD crawler in reply to jdemaris, 03-10-2005 20:28:31  
Thanks so much. You really know your engine. i and everyone else agree. I am going to go work on it tonight and i tell what when ton thanks so much Have a great day.



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brian 1

03-10-2005 20:11:19




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 Re: 2010 JD crawler in reply to StephenMO, 03-10-2005 18:34:05  
another good one would be Lavoy either here in the crawler section or at www.jdcrawlers.com Good Luck & keep us posted.



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Mike from cny

03-10-2005 19:52:26




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 Re: 2010 JD crawler in reply to StephenMO, 03-10-2005 18:34:05  
jdemaris on the crawler board knows his deere crawlers. Sounds like maybe a loose wire somewhere if you are getting inconsistent spark. Also check your timing. Are you sure the firing order is right?



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dr.sportster

03-11-2005 04:44:26




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 Re: 2010 JD crawler in reply to Mike from cny, 03-10-2005 19:52:26  
jdemaris Rules the mechanical world brother!



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Nor ala

03-10-2005 19:10:23




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 Re: 2010 JD crawler in reply to StephenMO, 03-10-2005 18:34:05  
Steve go to the J,D. board on this forum and put a post there ATTN; Clooney or John T. either one is very knowledgeable on John Deeres



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leland

03-10-2005 20:07:43




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 Re: 2010 JD crawler in reply to Nor ala, 03-10-2005 19:10:23  
You can also go to www.redpowermagazine.com they also have a new crawler board those guy's are a super bunch to deal with also.



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