O.T. Iowa gun owners !!!!!!!!

A few months ago in a richy lakeshore suburb north of Chicago, a family's house got broken into while they were home. Of the things stolen were an automobile of theirs. The next night while going to bed, the husband heard something downstairs and went down to investigate. The guy that broke in the night before was back, and let himself in using the keys he stole the night before. The husband shot him, sending him through a window, but not killing him, unfortunately. Initially the cops charged the guy with breaking and entering, and the home owner for having an illegal handgun in his own home (law against handguns in that town), and charged him for shooting the burglar to protect his family in their own home. The burglar gets a breaking and entering, the home owner gets the book thrown at him. Made national news. Guess what? The morons running the town backed off, lowering the home owner's charges down to having an improperly registered weapon. And why? Because the morons running the town had far too too too many invitations to have their heads handed to them by common sense law abiding citizens that have had enough of the bull$hit. Bless their hearts (the citizens, not the morons).

Mark

I doubt the crooks buy them.
Another person I worked with who lived in the country would come in and say his house was broke into again.

You must live among some incredibly dimwitted inbred uneducated fools. Drunk driving must be thinning out the rest of the gene pool there. What state and county are you in, I want to avoid it?

Most of the activities you have mentioned have some safty built in; seat belts, batters helmet etc.
Some of the activities should be outlawed. Like everytime a rescue helicopters crashes pulling some idiot off a mountain.
You probably know several people who were hurt by guns.

Let's see. A few bruised shoulders from the 300Win and I too did catch a slide on the web of the thumb from the wife's Ruger. As for suicides?I can think of a few drug over doses, hangings, vehicles driven off the road into a tree at 85mph into a tree without any skid marks. Several who drank them selves to death. One who smothered in an oxygen limited silo, three incidents that killed 7 people with toxic fumes in manure pits. And someone who was testing his car in the garage without opening any doors or windows. Around here the sensible people rate firearms in there with useful tools like knifes,axes, hammers, skill saws etc. Just know what you are doing and pay attention. In do know of two individuals who are accidents waiting to happen. They had already used up several of nine lives on bicycles, motor vehicles etc. One was drunk as a skunk and grazed his foot climbing over a fence. The other was shooting a pellet gun down a length of pipe or something. Got the pellet back in the face. There isn't anything on the face of this earth that some idiot can't miss use. Why get all fascinated with the firearm instead of the person? I don't hear anyone blaming a vehicle or booze for drunk drivers and wanting to ban vehicles. TLAK, how about you move to England where it is illegal to defend yourself from assault & battery. A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded s*xual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud, "General Introduction to Psychoanalysis". Retrieved from "http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Guns"

You can clean everything except the chamber with a shell in it. There's nothing about a shell in the chamber that prevents you from running as wab down the barrel, spraying down the firing mechanism, etc.

Mark

It just amazes me how coniving and underhanded the lefties can be. Americans want their freedom of gun ownership and the outright attempts to criminalize them failed miserably. Now we are seeing the subtle attempts to woe us into giving up our guns, and it will fail also. Next will be the judges making a ruling on the unconstitutionality of gun ownership.

I would be very curious to hear how our friends to the north feel about this issue???

Dug

The friends up north I was referring to were the Canadians. They went through a gun struggle and lost. I am curious as to their take on what the US is going through.

Only two red counties in a blue state? Well I live in one of two blue counties in a red state. We have a major university that is a breeding ground for the lefties. I am ashamed to admit I am an alumni. (I do not give when the University hat is passed.)

11 guns and counting,

Dug

Dug

I remember a recent special on some channel, and didn't realize that a sitting president could fire an entire federal court by just abolishing it. It happened once under one of our presidents, very early on. Jefferson maybe? I don't recall which one. Would be pretty politically incorrect to do today, but apparently can be done, and has. Personally, I think George W. oughta set his sites on the 9th. And when he gets done with them, he oughta call me up and invite me down to Crawford to go bass fishing with shotguns, because we can. LOL.

Mark

This morning I heard one that made the hair on the back of my neck standup. A new proposed law giving judges special rights and protections. It happened in the wake of that judge in Chicago going home and finding her husband and mother murdered. On face value, sounds ok, but what about long term? What I mean is that will probably get you or me jail time if we talk bad about or criticize judges - we will be seen as a threat. Will give judges even more chances to legislate from the benches that they already have now, and can't be questioned or badmouthed, because that will make whomever says or does it a "terrorist". Yeah, take an unfortunate incident like what happened to that judge and her family, and use it to play off of the sympathies of society to take their (our) rights away before anyone realizes that just lost another freedom.

When a politician wraps his/her arm around your shoulder and say "Have I got a deal for you", they aint jokin, and history is proof. "Overlook his voting record over the past twenty years for the newly invented him?", yeah, right.

Mark

JMHO

Jet

The whole term "assault weapon" has been so overused that the general public has become conditioned to accepting this daily diet of hand-fed media garbage as the truth.

As far as "fully automatic weapons" go...there have been federal laws regarding these since the 1930's. Local state regulations would have no effect, other than providing the desired level of inconvenience to the law abiding gun owner.

There...I'll get down off the soap box!!! Good Luck

The US is the last country with some firearm rights. Australia, Canada and England just went through a registration and banning session to disarm the public.
Dont think "it can't happen here".
The rest of the world's gneral public was disarmed decades ago.
The Social Engineers know that an outright ban is impossible. However if they are are patient, a total ban is possible when rights are slowly taken bit by bit.
A strong anti message built into every TV show and movie is a great mind conditioning tool. Ever since the dawn of recored time. What happened to the peasants when the gov't took away their weapons?

Allan

Could you give me your defintion of what you think is a so called "assault weapon"?

: )

Dug

Could you give me your defintion of what you think is a so called "assault weapon"?

Day by day, little by little, and bit by bit, we are slowly losing every darned freedom we ever had. It is moving so slow that it isn't noticed from one generation to the next.

But, step out your front door (which belongs to you), stand in your front yard (which belongs to you) and take a wizz.

Or, shoot the neighbor's dog which has just killed one of your newborn calves.

You will then be eating free lunches, compliments of the county, within the hour. :>(

Allan

The talk above reminds me of a book I borrowed from my local library last year: "When I Was A Kid, This Was A Free Country," by G.G. Liddy. In it, he laments the decline of American freedoms -- among them some very basic ones -- and describes many of the same circumstances referenced in your postings.

Unfortunately, we are being overrun by those who see government as a benevolent, all-knowing father who provides money/benefits/etc. from a bottomless treasury, forgetting that it is our tax money which is disappearing in ever-greater amounts to fund this "bottomless" largesse. These same folks have forgotten that people such as Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Madison (among others) wanted to establish a nation where a man could stand on his own two feet and be free to succeed (or even fail) based on his own merits and work ethic, free from the interference of others. Yes, government was needed, but only to a certain degree. As James Madison said, "They govern best, that govern least."

Have we become so open-minded as a society, that our brains have fallen out?

I'm truly glad that most of the folks who frequent this forum are level-headed Americans...

Just my 2¢ worth...

-- Maine Fordson

and I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS but Gays are yelling about GUN types not lettig them have there freedom....

if Everyone has freedom to do what he or she wants you do have chaos!

I don’t really want to get into the subject of politics, as that seems to really feed the “flame wars” – and most of us on this site are here to discuss old iron and our love for it and farming the way it used to be. Nobody needs any more hurt feelings or personal attacks (and Kim is probably tired of playing the role of baby-sitter). . .

As for concealed-carry laws, the statistics I have seen indicate a drop in crime rates when the bad guys don’t know if their victims are going to be armed or not.

For those who believe gun bans work, please explain the situation in our nation’s capital. Washington, D.C. has had an outright ban on all handguns since 1976 and a ban on long guns (rifles/shotguns) unless the owner has been a permanent resident of the District since that date *and* owned them at the time the ban went into effect. The streets of our capital should be safe from gun-toting bad guys, no? But somehow DC manages to have the second-highest number of gun deaths *in the country* (and sometimes claims first place). Just one more reason I lived in Virginia and commuted in to the District when I was in the Navy and stationed there. . .

As for the “¢” in my posting, this crafty Yankee has to admit to a bit of creativity…I composed my posting in Microsoft Word, then cut-and-pasted it into the reply box. (In MS Word, to get a “¢” you press the “Control” key on the lower left of your keyboard and the slash at the same time, then just press the letter C. Works every time…)

More of my 2¢ worth. . . Let’s see, that makes 4¢ now. I’d better keep track, ’cause I’ll probably be taxed on it.

– Maine Fordson