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Heating Fuel Oil-Deisel Fuel??

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Bob H nw Oh

02-25-2005 13:25:42




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I have 50 gal.heating fuel oil,can I use it in an AC D17 Deisel,would I have to add conditioner orsomething,TIA,Bob.




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john in la

02-25-2005 18:39:44




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 Re: Heating Fuel Oil-Deisel Fuel?? in reply to Bob H nw Oh, 02-25-2005 13:25:42  
It really depends on where you live as to what you really have. As stated by others it could be a blend of different kinds of fuel.

Where we load we can get..... .....
#2 low sulpher
#2 low sulpher Prem.
#2 dyed low sulpher
#2 heating oil
While it is a different code to load; It all comes out the same tank. The only difference is the bottom 2 are injected with red dye because there is no tax on it.

At some locations we can also get
#2 dyed high sulpher

To any of the above we can blend either #1 low sulpher; or kero based on what the temperature is so we can lower the jelling point.

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buickanddeere

02-25-2005 17:42:38




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 Re: Heating Fuel Oil-Deisel Fuel?? in reply to Bob H nw Oh, 02-25-2005 13:25:42  
#1 winter diesel is blended with various amounts of kerosene depending on the expected temp. Besides the taxes.In some places home heating fuel has a low cetane rating making cold starts in diesels difficuilt. For ease of inventory handling, home heating fuel is usualy treated to a cetane boost making it and diesel identical. There was for a while regular and low sulphur #1 & #2 depending if it was on road, off road or home heating fuel. Around here the one of the crime families owned some discount gas stations. As well as filtering the colour out of dyed fuel and selling it as taxed road fuel. They also had a PCB disposal company. A little PCB oil was blended with the diesel or gasoline to "dispose of the PCB's".

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marlowe

02-25-2005 17:09:57




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 Re: Heating Fuel Oil-Deisel Fuel?? in reply to Bob H nw Oh, 02-25-2005 13:25:42  
in wisconsin we have NO.1 and NO.2. NO 1 is used for home heating [thiner] will not gel in cold weather -30. no-2 is used in trucks and tractors and will gel so we mix 1 and 2 in winter so it don't gel or run straght 1 but cost more. we see big trucks from the south along the roads all the time with NO2 geled up. but as to your tractor you can use both don't matter



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Allan in NE

02-25-2005 17:23:09




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 Re: Heating Fuel Oil-Deisel Fuel?? in reply to marlowe, 02-25-2005 17:09:57  
Marlowe,

That #1 works okay in tractors, but if you're pulling hard, such as heavy tillage, the #2 gives more bang for the buck and just plain runs better.

Gots more BTUs per volume or whatever?

Allan



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marlowe

02-25-2005 19:01:01




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 Re: Heating Fuel Oil-Deisel Fuel?? in reply to Allan in NE, 02-25-2005 17:23:09  
true but it looks like this guy is a hobby farmer that would not work it like a real farmer



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Bob H nw Oh

02-26-2005 04:19:38




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 Re: Heating Fuel Oil-Deisel Fuel?? in reply to marlowe, 02-25-2005 19:01:01  
HOBBY FARMER??Just cause I only FARM 2 acres,lol,yup that be me,lookin to buy small farm,Thanks guys,Bob.



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ljl

02-25-2005 16:42:52




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 Re: Heating Fuel Oil-Deisel Fuel?? in reply to Bob H nw Oh, 02-25-2005 13:25:42  
the differance between tractor fuel oil and furance fuel oil is the sales tax you pay no tax tractor fuel if you are agriculture production exempt been know to use a little of that ag fuel in the house myself



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Bob H nw Oh

02-25-2005 16:10:11




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 Re: Heating Fuel Oil-Deisel Fuel?? in reply to Bob H nw Oh, 02-25-2005 13:25:42  
Thanks very much guys for your replys,Bob.



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Allan in NE

02-25-2005 13:43:57




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 Re: Heating Fuel Oil-Deisel Fuel?? in reply to Bob H nw Oh, 02-25-2005 13:25:42  
Bob,

Heating fuel oil is #1 diesel. *Unless someone changed the rules on me. :>)

Allan



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RustyFarmall

02-25-2005 14:22:04




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 Re: Heating Fuel Oil-Deisel Fuel?? in reply to Allan in NE, 02-25-2005 13:43:57  
I agree, it should work just fine. I have done it, also have poured diesel fuel into the furnace tank when someone forgot to pay attention and it was about 0 degrees. Niether the tractor or the furnace ever knew the differance.



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mike brown

02-25-2005 15:00:05




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 Re: Heating Fuel Oil-Deisel Fuel?? in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-25-2005 14:22:04  
I believe heating oil is D2. When I ordered diesel and fuel oil in the fall the driver filled both tanks from the same truck.



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T_Bone

02-25-2005 15:36:50




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 Re: Heating Fuel Oil-Deisel Fuel?? in reply to mike brown, 02-25-2005 15:00:05  
Hi Bob,

Mike has it correct, #2 fuel oil is the same as #2D with the only difference being #2D has road tax appiled.

Winter diesel or fuel oil is usually a 50/50 mix of #1D and #2D fuel oil in most locations but can have more #1 depending on the ambiment temperature expected.

Depending on where you live, you can have #1 fuel oil as it won't gell as quick. Most oil burners use a heat exchanger to keep #2 fuel oil from gelling as #2 has a higher BTU content thus more bang for the buck.

T_Bone

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Allan in NE

02-25-2005 15:44:19




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 Re: Heating Fuel Oil-Deisel Fuel?? in reply to T_Bone, 02-25-2005 15:36:50  
Naw,

#1 Diesel is the thin wintertime stove fuel oil. #2 is the thick summer tractor fuel.

There is no such thing as #2 fuel oil; it jels up in the wintertime. :>)

Allan



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paul

02-26-2005 12:19:17




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 Re: Heating Fuel Oil-Deisel Fuel?? in reply to Allan in NE, 02-25-2005 15:44:19  
Up here in Minnesota they deliver #2 diesel / heating fuel all year around unless you ask for something different.

For the engines you need a lot of additives or some #1 when it gets below 20 degrees.

For the furnace most folks burn #2 all winter. I do. A few with outdoor storage need some #1 mixed in so it flows through the filter.

But, up here heating fuel = #2 diesel unless you ask for different.

Diesel fuel technically has some additive in it for the injectors, and heating fuel would not need those. But nearly every supplier doesn't want a seperate bulk tank & supply lines, it is cheaper to just handle #2 diesel as both engine fuel & heating oil. Same stuff.

--->Paul

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leland

02-25-2005 16:09:27




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 Re: Heating Fuel Oil-Deisel Fuel?? in reply to Allan in NE, 02-25-2005 15:44:19  
Allan there is several grades of heating oil the factory that my mother worked at for several years burn't a grade 6 or 7 in there boilers looked like raw crude oil



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ed1

02-25-2005 16:22:04




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 Re: Heating Fuel Oil-Deisel Fuel?? in reply to leland, 02-25-2005 16:09:27  
Hearing oil is graded just like diesel

#2D and #2 home heating oil are virtually the same

In the winter they add some additives to #2D to stop it from gelling.

Look at your home heating bill it probably says dyed diesel fuel as many distribuitors only carry one for both purposes. This won't harm the tractor if you let it sit untill it warms up. just won't start now

Also dyed and un-dyed are exactly the same except for the dye or road tax paid.

I'd wait to the spring and dump it in. If it gets real cold it might gell up

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