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heating problem, hose collapses

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n8terry

02-24-2005 19:54:25




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My neighbors tractor, JD 2030, collapses the lower radiator hose after it gets warmed up. He replaced the hoses and thermostat, still does the same thing.

any suggestions on what could be causing this will be appreciated.




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Chris Vangel

02-25-2005 03:10:11




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 Re: heating problem, hose collapses in reply to n8terry, 02-24-2005 19:54:25  
In cars, this is normally caused by a radiator cap that will not vent to or pull coolant from the resevour. Occasionally, when the thermostat opens the pump will pull on the radiator harder that the water will flow and causes the hose to suck flat. The cap has a little valve that opens and pull coolant from the tank to prevent the system from starving for coolant. I would change the cap next and make sure it is the correct cap to start with. You didn't say hoses or anything have been changed, so unless they are swollen or weak, I wouldn't think they would be the problem. Just my .02 cents worth, Chris.

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MarkB_MI

02-26-2005 04:36:18




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 Re: heating problem, hose collapses in reply to Chris Vangel, 02-25-2005 03:10:11  
Chris,

If the problem was the radiator cap not venting, it would collapse the upper hose as well. Also, the lower hose is collapsing when the engine is hot, and the system should be under pressure.

I think someone forgot to replace the spring the last time the lower hose was replaced. I've never had the hoses off of a 3020, but I've never seen a lower radiator hose that didn't have one.



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Willy-N

02-24-2005 20:07:23




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 Re: heating problem, hose collapses in reply to n8terry, 02-24-2005 19:54:25  
Some hoses come with a coil spring inside them to stop that problem or a stiffer type hose is needed. Radiator could be pluged up and the pump is having a hard time sucking water from the bottom also. Just a few thoughts. Mark H.



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txblu

02-25-2005 05:53:59




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 Re: heating problem, hose collapses in reply to Willy-N, 02-24-2005 20:07:23  
Totally agree.



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lucasss

02-25-2005 06:54:47




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 Re: heating problem, hose collapses in reply to txblu, 02-25-2005 05:53:59  

the cap idea makes sense ,,wonder if that lower hose was changed and the pring out of the old spring wasnt put in the new hose, ive seen it alot on cars.that bottom hose is basically a suction hose. lucasss



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txblu

02-25-2005 07:27:57




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 Re: heating problem, hose collapses in reply to lucasss, 02-25-2005 06:54:47  
Don't remember seeing springs in tractors, but I know in cars you surely needed it.

Course I haven't had that many hoses changed and haven't squeezed one lately. Had the radiator off a '62 4000 Ford the other day and no spring, but the hose was tough; probably didn't need it.

Thinking.

Until the thermostat opens the pump is sucking, but since there is no flow, it does nothing to hurt the hose (gotta push something out to suck something in).

Thinking more.

Then when water starts flowing, I'd say that the area of the tubes is greater (heck I know it is) than the area of the upper hose (under pump outlet pressure) and with gravity feed you have plenty of force on the lower hose (which is larger than the inlet on a lot of engines) probably to stop collapsing on both counts.

So it seems the only way you get enough suction on the bottom of the radiator (pump inlet) is for the volume of water going out of the pump to attempt to exceed the volume coming in which could translate to clogged pipes causing inlet suction and consequently sucking the hose shut.

Fun.

HTH.

Mark

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