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Hard-starting Ford 4000

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Tim in TX

02-23-2005 09:12:19




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I have a "70s Ford 4000 that"s been beautifully reconditioned, but the one thing it lacks is that it takes between 30 seconds and a minute to start, if the battery doesn"t wear down in the process. It puffs white smoke out of the exhaust as it"s trying to start. Once it starts, it runs PERFECT. After it"s run for a few minutes, you can kill it and it"ll start up immediately.

My first impulse was that it was a poor battery, so I went to Napa and got a $150 battery for it, just to be sure. It didn"t make a difference.

Now the tractor does have the huge straight english muffler that sits about 3ft above the hood with no cap. Would it be hard-starting due to water getting in the exhaust?

Thanks in adv.
--Tim

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txblu

02-24-2005 06:42:24




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 Re: Hard-starting Ford 4000 in reply to Tim in TX, 02-23-2005 09:12:19  
Bought a '65 3000D. Starting problems just like you said....didn't know what I was (wasn't) buying when the salesman had to get out the starting fluid in March to start it.

Ran fine just like you said. Redid all the start ckt including a new 5" starter, 950 cca size 31 battery and 00 gauge cables. Still nada.

Got a new manifold preheater and got everything working properly.....still nada.

Did an inframe overhaul and found the problem. The rings were gone; I mean I couldn't believe how worn they were nor that it could run as good as it did after it got started.

Kicks over in just a couple seconds now.

If you can get a diesel compression tester and test for roughly 500 psig cranking compression you'll have your answer.

Only other thing is clean and shiny contacts in the start circuit including the starter to engine interface (ground). Course as I remember the ground connects directly to the starter housing on the 3 cyl Fords....which is lots better. If tractor is not spinning fast that can be a problem.....but it won't make up for bad rings.....don't care how pretty it looks. Sorry,

Mark

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Geo in SD

02-23-2005 19:06:51




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 Re: Hard-starting Ford 4000 in reply to Tim in TX, 02-23-2005 09:12:19  
It shouldn't start that hard even if it is fairly cold temps. I had a 4000 about the same year as yours and it always started very easy. It would start without the heaters down to about 40 degrees or so. During winter I used a tank heater on it, plug it in a hour or so before I needed to use it.
All the 4000's I knew of in my area always started very well. The white smoke is unburned fuel, caused by a lack of compression more than likely. After the engine runs for a while, the heat factor is not a problem.
I would suspect low compression and I would also check your fuel system while I was at it.

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Majorman

02-23-2005 09:19:31




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 Re: Hard-starting Ford 4000 in reply to Tim in TX, 02-23-2005 09:12:19  
The 4000 always was a poor starter from new. It would always start but would churn over for a long time with clouds of white smoke. They are greatly improved if you have a manifold pre heater. Check your intake manifold just after the hose connection at the front, you should have a pipe and wire fitted around the back. If so, turn your start key slowly towards the start position, you should notice a point when the dash lights go out before the starter turns over. This is the heat position. Hold the key here for about 20 secs then move to start. You will find this is a great improvement.

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