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Allan in NE

02-21-2005 08:17:20

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Did you guys see this one? :>)

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RickL

02-22-2005 06:23:10

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:17:20

Round hay bales have become a death trap for a lot of farmers that age with those small older tractors. Just simple to much weight and not balance correctly. I hate those bales plus you give them away in value compared to small square. Make great snow fence thou

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Dug

02-21-2005 20:46:52

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:17:20

My neighbor turned a tractor over last year bushhogging. He was 75 and had been ranching that land over 40 years. The area he was mowing was a gully that he would hog about twice a year. After he died his widow had a dozer out and filled it in.

Dug

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Rauville

02-21-2005 17:05:36

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:17:20

Here's a link to a fatal accident report regarding narrow front tractors and loaders. Makes for some interesting reading...and thinking.

Accident Report

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Allan in NE

02-21-2005 19:02:54

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Rauville, 02-21-2005 17:05:36

Rau,

Bless your heart! Why people cannot see the danger in these things simply by looking at 'em is totally beyond me.

Thanks for posting,

Allan

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Sid

02-21-2005 16:56:11

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:17:20

I aint saying it couldn"t happen but some things look odd to me. Did it flip over backwards? The rear tires indicate that it did, or they were mounted backwards. If it flipped sideways, which I can see is very possible that must be one strong loader frame as it doesn"t seem to show any extensive damage. I also wonder why there does not seem to be any signs near the rear tractor wheel, seems as if it would make some noticable marks on the ground if it had rolled away from the camera as the ground near the haybale indicate. I hope no one was hurt. But i wonder if we aren"t looking at some camera trickery.

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I Bleed Green

02-21-2005 14:56:39

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:17:20

I dont have pictures to show, but my dad did the something with our Farmall M, only it was ground in the loader bucket.

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Carl Tunich

02-21-2005 13:53:33

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:17:20

Can't really say what happened history wise. Was that the first bale with that tractor? It doesn't look like much of a slant. Looks like the bale was lifted about the height of the front wheels off the ground.

I don't think that a wide front would have made much difference. The wide front pivots from the center of the wheel track. So until it gets to the stops it will act close to a narrow front.

What do those bales weigh? 1000 pounds? 2000?

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Don L C

02-21-2005 17:47:43

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Carl Tunich, 02-21-2005 13:53:33

I don't think you can say what the (heigth was)I would think the weight of the tractor up side down would change the angle....

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cockshuttguy

02-21-2005 13:49:27

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:17:20

Did the driver survive?

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Doug Anderson

02-21-2005 11:31:28

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:17:20

Looks like the bale was frozen to the ground.
Later,
Doug

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Jon H

02-21-2005 11:56:15

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Doug Anderson, 02-21-2005 11:31:28

rule #1,and this one is written in blood,carry the load as low as possible.
Also far too much load for that little tricycle tractor. Any one else run a skid loader with far too much load in the bucket and try to dump it over the side or rear of a truck? I was loading manure in the rear of a truck with the tailgate removed. As long as I was moving forward the loader balanced the load with the bucket 5 ft in the air,when I slowed down at the truck,the loader nosed over into the back of the truck. I ended up with the top rear side of the truck box inside the loader cab,inches from my face. I was glad to have a second chance to change my way of doing things.

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Dave (IL)

02-21-2005 08:59:57

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:17:20

Guess I can't put that in my "back flip" file.
:( if somebody got hurt.

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Allan in NE

02-21-2005 09:04:45

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Dave (IL), 02-21-2005 08:59:57

Sure hope not!

Hate to see those kinds of things. My neighbor ended up with a steering column sticking thru his chest. Was a 3020 John Deere.

Allan

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Dave (IL)

02-21-2005 09:37:24

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 09:04:45

I've mentioned before, I mowed highways two summers in the early 60's. Used Fords with bushhogs mowing most of the major roads around Chicago. A bunch of crazy teenage farm boys, never flipped a Ford on a hill. Got a couple by driving off culverts (not me), but that had a natural tendency to throw the driver away from it.

Contractor bought a red one, gave it to his best driver (one of my best friends), and he flipped it on a hill and was killed. Only had the red one a week or so and never had another one.

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BobR

02-21-2005 08:49:50

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:17:20

I'm not real big on Narrow Fronts, but I've used 'em-That haybale was just too much weight in front-might have been trouble for a wide front-some weight in the back, I think,would have helped. just my .02

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36BinMN

02-21-2005 08:28:29

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:17:20

Ouch is right!! did he jump off in time? Looks like he went over sideways.

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Red Dave

02-21-2005 08:27:45

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:17:20

Hope whoever that was got off in time.
Too much haybale, not enough tractor.

What was he doing, carrying it too high and it went over?

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Allan in NE

02-21-2005 08:33:08

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Red Dave, 02-21-2005 08:27:45

Hi Red,

Have no idea; just found the picture over in the "Stuck & Troubled" section.

All I can see is that damned trike front end and the "Spear". Plus, kinda looks like the tail was waggin' the dog just a little. :>)

Allan

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Hound

02-21-2005 10:18:45

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:33:08

..hay man, Who's it going?...watcha meaning by grabbing it all wrong?.. Hound

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Allan in NE

02-21-2005 10:54:10

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Hound, 02-21-2005 10:18:45

Hi Ol" Pard,

Hey did you see that they are trying to sell that old spinner from California again on ebay? :>)

What I meant by grabbin" it wrong is that darned spear. I think they are just a downright dangerous contraption.

Allan

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Red Dave

02-21-2005 08:39:53

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 08:33:08

I'm sure the finger waggers will blame it on the tricycle front-end, but that tractor looks too light for that much weight hanging on the front end, wide front or narrow.
At least to my eye.

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thurlow

02-21-2005 09:22:09

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Red Dave, 02-21-2005 08:39:53

Well Dave, you beat me to the "punch" on the tricycle concept; I think we need to get the Federal Guv'mint involved and ban loaders on tricycle tractors..... ..... .well, let's get a grant and do a study first.

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Allan in NE

02-21-2005 08:47:00

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Red Dave, 02-21-2005 08:39:53

Yepper,

Not enough tractor, not enough loader, working on the slant and he's grabbed it all wrong.

Allan

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Jerry Cent. Mi.

02-21-2005 08:46:38

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Red Dave, 02-21-2005 08:39:53

The bail looks wet and rotten. That make them weigh a lot more.

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LouM

02-22-2005 04:30:58

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 02-21-2005 08:46:38

accidents happen and it doesn"t matter if its wide front or narrow I have used both and while I much perfer a wide front I would not be afraid to use a narrow with a loader, some people seem to have to much time on there hands to complain so much about everything.

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Ken Macfarlane

02-22-2005 08:43:15

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to LouM, 02-22-2005 04:30:58

Kinda strange, looking at the scene of an accident. Makes you think of all the stupid things you have done and got away with.

People may argue the tri-cycle point but the ROPS point is undisputable.

I used to think the tricycle front end was a moot point because a wide front end pivots freely on a single point too. But I know better now:

1. The wide front end averages bumps, ie one wheel goes up one foot, the tractor nose goes up 6". This slows down the jostling that usually contributes to tipping.

2. The pivot on a wide front end is much closer to the centre of mass of the front of the tractor. This means the mass has a much shorter "lever" to push against the back tires with to flip the tractor. This is a big factor, some tractors take more advantage of this than others as the height of the pivots gets higher on newer machines.

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pat ore.

03-02-2005 01:39:54

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Re: Ouch!!! in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 02-22-2005 08:43:15

if you look real closethe tractor was comeing and grabed the bail on the move turning the corner fastand fliped,just picking up it would endup on its side the loader is not up that high. in other words tring to cut a big fat hog.

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