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O.T. dodge PU starter

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John *.?-!.* cu

02-15-2005 19:52:53




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I have a cousin who is having problems with the strter on his Dodge pick up with slant 6 engine. It keeps chewing up the ring gear teeth. He has gone through 3 starters and 2 ring gears over tha past few years. Does anyone have any suggestions?




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Fred Kobs

02-17-2005 05:06:33




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 Re: O.T. dodge PU starter in reply to John *.?-!.* cub owner, 02-15-2005 19:52:53  
I've never seen a shim on a Dodge starter but hope that is it. I'm thinking of a different alignment problem, being block/bellhousing. If both alignment dowels are in place, I'd put a dial indicator on it when you do the next ring gear. Good luck. Fred



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Hal/WA

02-17-2005 00:30:47




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 Re: O.T. dodge PU starter in reply to John *.?-!.* cub owner, 02-15-2005 19:52:53  
I have fooled around with a lot of slant 6's over the years and never had problems with the starter meshing with the ring gear. I would take off the dust cover on the bottom of the bell housing and look with a flashlight to see what is wrong with the starter/ring gear alignment.

You don't mention if this is a stick or automatic. If it has been apart, could things have been put back together wrong? Or could the ring gear have slipped back somehow? If so, it is a grenade waiting to blow.

It seems to me that almost all the Chrysler gear reduction starters will interchange and that a V8 starter will work on a slant 6. I have never heard of shimming a Chrysler starter, which goes straight back into a machined hole, unlike the GM method of the bolts going perpendicular to the crankshaft. My Chevys have often needed shims to get the clearance right between the starter gear and ring gear. Looking at the ruined starters might give a clue as to what the problem is. What goes bad? And is the ring gear all chewed up now?

Another thought: Chrysler bell housings and their alignment with the crankshaft is set by the dowel pins in the back of the block. I have had some trouble in getting this exact alignment when changing slant 6 engines, which produces a combination that will wear out a pilot bushing in a couple of thousand miles. Chrysler parts sells a kit with offset dowel pins to cure this problem. But to get it right, you have to remove the old dowel pins and use a dial indicator on the flywheel indexing on the large hole in the back of the bellhousing, or I suppose, the front pump opening in an automatic transmission case. The center of the crank should be exactly centered in the opening and this might require some moving around of the bellhousing. It is a heck of a lot easier to do this with the engine out of the vehicle.

But that is an unusual problem and I would expect other problems, such as bad shifting or unusual wear of the pilot bushing or transmission bearings to show up rather than problems with the starter. Good luck figuring out the misalignment.

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John *.?-!.* cub owner

02-17-2005 07:08:21




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 Re: O.T. dodge PU starter in reply to Hal/WA, 02-17-2005 00:30:47  
Thanks Hal, It is a stick shift. The flywheel has been changed once. The problem that's happening is the engaging part of the starter drive is getting chewed up, as well as about a 1/4 of the depth of the teeth on the side the starter engages. In the 10 or 15 years he has owned the truck he has replace the starter 3 times (getting ready for 4th one and the flywheel ring gear once, and it's getting chewed up.

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michael Soldan

02-16-2005 20:26:48




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 Re: O.T. dodge PU starter in reply to John *.?-!.* cub owner, 02-15-2005 19:52:53  
Bo is on the right track. I worked in an auto shop for the last three years and a lot of starters need shims to get them aligned right so they start quietly and are not growling or noisy. Dodge used reduction gear starters fro many years and these have lots of torque so if they are not aligned right they cause problems...Mike in Exeter Ontario



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Willy-N

02-16-2005 08:53:58




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 Re: O.T. dodge PU starter in reply to John *.?-!.* cub owner, 02-15-2005 19:52:53  
Had that problem with a Chevy Starter once. After the second one I noticed a bolt was bent some and it put the starter out of alinement just as it torked it down. Replaced the bolt no more problems. Mark H.



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bo

02-15-2005 20:00:45




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 Re: O.T. dodge PU starter in reply to John *.?-!.* cub owner, 02-15-2005 19:52:53  
Sounds like the starter motor has to be shimmed out the right distance. I don't know how much. It's not meshing correctly.



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