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SproutW

02-13-2005 21:49:04




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Well I've decided I need to get a trailer to tow my tractors to shows and I need some advise. I've got two Farmall F-20's, one is a narrow tread that will fit on a standard car hauler and the other is a regular tread width (wider than a car hauler). I would like to haul both at the same time. What size trailer do I need length and width. I'm sure I need a gooseneck but want many and all opinions.

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T_Bone

02-14-2005 08:39:38




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 Re: Trailers in reply to SproutW, 02-13-2005 21:49:04  
Hi Sprout,

Over the years I've always bought trailers for the task at hand. I'm on my 4th trailer and haven't worn any of them out but just changed to what my needs were at the time. Costly!

A GN with 20ft x 8ft of deck and 4/5ft of dovetail is a great all around trailer size. Large enough to load most items with room to spare but small enough to make it easy to get around town.

Next is axle choice. Here again it pays to get what the future will require and thats dual tandums. Stay away from tri-axle trailers!

I don't mind electric brakes. There about the best bang for the buck and do a decent job. There's a huge push for the elec/hydraulic disc brakes now, so if you buy electric be sure and buy extra brake shoes, spring kits and magnets.

Here (AZ) it's a steel decked trailer as a wood deck, the sun tears up to fast, less than 10yrs.

Trailes are sold with the old saying, pay me now or pay me latter, but your gonna pay for me!

If you spend $12000 now for the correct trailer, thats $400/yr over the next 30yrs. I've already spent that and still don't have the correct trailer!

T_Bone

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RickL

02-15-2005 04:04:37




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 Re: Trailers in reply to T_Bone, 02-14-2005 08:39:38  
T-Bone; Whats your beef against triple axle trailers. Fellow I help out some has both dually and triple,we always have argue who gets to pull which trailer,as we always want to pull the triple versus the dually. Infact we are currently looking for another triple unit. Just curious



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T_Bone

02-15-2005 05:56:58




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 Re: Trailers in reply to RickL, 02-15-2005 04:04:37  
Hi Rick,

Tri-axle trailers will apply reverse torque (severe upward weight) to the hitching on uneven ground surface.

I'm not talking about ruff terrian road surface but a gently rolling road surface that causes the tri-axle suspension to become loaded.

When I first bought my tri-axle, I used a 5/16" ball with a 3/16" chain to move the empty trailer onto my shop pad to install my pintel hitch. I snapped that 3/16" chain and put the first ding into my new F350.

So I did another experiment. I used a 1/4" chain again on the 5/16" ball with 3800lbs load weight on the flat deck placed fully forward and I once again snapped that 1/4" chain. A 1/4" chain has approx 2600lbs breaking strength.

My conclusion: There will be a no load weight "sweet" spot on the flat deck on a tri-axle trailer, like there is with a tandum axle trailer.

If you observe the rear tire on a tri-axle while in a tight turn radius you will see the rear tire fold under the wheel center. Under the correct conditions, I could see poping the tire off the rim if one was not careful.

T_Bone

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RickL

02-15-2005 10:46:38




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 Re: Trailers in reply to T_Bone, 02-15-2005 05:56:58  
Yes I will agree with you,but as you stated in a tight turn any tire has to be skid whether it be tandem, triples or duals. Just was curious, I will stay with the triples I like them better in my situation.



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BFO

02-14-2005 17:25:06




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 Re: Trailers in reply to T_Bone, 02-14-2005 08:39:38  
It"s funny, we were really ahead of our time here. In the late seventies to nineties, we built 12k axles with hydraulic disc brakes and single wheels.....they were the cat"s behind. Would still be building them now exept the wheel mfg went and discontinued the single 17.5" wheel. I just converted one that I built in "90 from vacuum/hydraulic to electric/ hydraulic, and they are just so much nicer than dual wheels when pulling behind a smaller truck. This particular trailer stared out on a F350, then F450, now on a FreightlinerM2

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T_Bone

02-15-2005 02:45:35




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 Re: Trailers in reply to BFO, 02-14-2005 17:25:06  
Hi BFO,

You brought up a good point but can you buy super-singles tires/wheels at a competive price when comparred too standard 16" tires/wheels?

I really don't know as I forgot about the super-singles.

I remember my dad building a 8ft camper in the 60's for a pickup bed that was over weight (1x2 frame with 1/4plywood sheeting and a fiberglass seal) and even super-singles wouldn't hold the weight and got sidewall bubbles in the tires after a few thousand miles. lol

T_Bone

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John (C-IL)

02-14-2005 05:28:59




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 Re: Trailers in reply to SproutW, 02-13-2005 21:49:04  
I have a 14,000#, 20+5, tag that I haul 2 tractors with ease. Tow vehicle is a GMC dually. That trailer gives me plenty of capacity and an easy pull. It also gives me room to haul the occasional bargain I find at shows.



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RustyFarmall

02-14-2005 04:49:21




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 Re: Trailers in reply to SproutW, 02-13-2005 21:49:04  
I would recommend a minimum 102 inch wide, 20 foot deck with 5 foot dovetail, and a minimmum 14,000 pound rating. But, When you go to look at trailers, look also at the 25 foot deck with 5 foot dovetail, and also at the 20,000 pound rating. I think you will find that the larger trailer will be more expensive but not that much, and then you will have a trailer that is guaranteed to be large enough for what you need now, plus what you might want in the future.

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dennis in nc

02-14-2005 05:25:24




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 Re: Trailers in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-14-2005 04:49:21  
is it better to have the wheels under or on the outside? say 20 ft tag . and what ply tires should be used



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MIke (WA)

02-14-2005 08:17:37




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 Re: Trailers in reply to dennis in nc, 02-14-2005 05:25:24  
If the trailer is 102" wide, the wheels have to be under, because 102" is the width limit for the whole rig. "Car trailers" with fenders on the outside typically are about 80" between the fenders. You can haul wider tractors, but its a PITA- you have to load from the front of the trailer, with the rear wheels of the tractor ending up in front of the trailer fenders (the front wheels will generally fit between the fenders)- which (on my trailer) involves taking off the jack, blocking up the front corners and using 2 X 12 ramp planks.

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dennis in nc

02-14-2005 08:48:05




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 Re: Trailers in reply to MIke (WA), 02-14-2005 08:17:37  
mike where in WA are you located i will be back your way by march 1st , moving to portland



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Mike (WA)

02-15-2005 08:06:51




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 Re: Trailers in reply to dennis in nc, 02-14-2005 08:48:05  
I'm near Chehalis, which is halfway between Portland and Seattle.



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RustyFarmall

02-14-2005 06:00:57




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 Re: Trailers in reply to dennis in nc, 02-14-2005 05:25:24  
Definately a gooseneck highdeck trailer. This puts the wheels underneath the floor, out of the way. Makes the trailer much more versatile, and you won't have to even give a thought as to whether it will fit between the fenders.



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farmalljim10

02-14-2005 04:16:19




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 Re: Trailers in reply to SproutW, 02-13-2005 21:49:04  
You can haul both of those tractors on a 16 ft. bumper pull the right width all you do is to back on the narrow and pull on the wide one .Put the fronts next to each other . I have a Farmall M and H and I haul them all the time together that is what is great about narrow fronts..I use a flat deck 14 ft with a 3 ft beaver tail. You need a 8-6 wide trailer(102 inches).



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Carl NY

02-14-2005 03:42:47




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 Re: Trailers in reply to SproutW, 02-13-2005 21:49:04  
The first step is to determine the weight of the load you want to haul around. I would highly recommend a gooseneck trailer. The loaded weight will determine the GVW of the trailer you need. The tow vehicle must be matched to the trailer also. Manufacturers have info on towing capacities of the trucks they sell. Most trucks can pull a load, it is the braking or stopping requirements that are essential. Sounds like you need at least a 20 ft. bed with a 4 to 5 ft. beavertail.

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dennis in nc

02-14-2005 15:08:29




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 Re: Trailers in reply to Carl NY, 02-14-2005 03:42:47  
what is the difference in a dovetail and beavertail



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