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Add third axel to trailer

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Frankie J

02-05-2005 06:29:47




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I have an existing 16 foot trailer with many custom items, such as winch etc. I want to extend the trailer 4 ft but know this causes problems with tongue balance, swaying etc. Would adding a third axle at the same time eliminate this problem if properly engineered and placed???




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T_Bone

02-06-2005 03:31:35




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 Re: Add third axel to trailer in reply to Frankie J, 02-05-2005 06:29:47  
Hi Frankie,

I just answered a simular question a couple weeks ago and posted the thread link below. Read that for axle placement plus some other ideas.

To add a thrid axle would not solve the problem as you now have your trailer center of gravity out of balance.

Tri-axle trailers do not make the best equipment trailers. Due to the suspension linkage design, you can apply reverse torque to the pin of the trailer as the trailer moves over uneven terrain.

There's no easy way to stop this problem. From what I see one would have to redesign the suspension linkage and then a big "if" it would correct the problem.

The other problem that occurs with tri-axles is the rear axle scrubs the ground while turning. With a heavy load, I've seen my rear tires sidewall start to fold under the wheel in a tight turn. I could see where I could pop a tire off the wheel if I wasn't careful.

This tire scrub problem also occurs with tandum axles but not as bad.

Dual tandum axles is a lot better design with less problems vs a tri-axle design.

T_Bone

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Don Wadge

02-05-2005 18:38:33




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 Re: Add third axel to trailer in reply to Frankie J, 02-05-2005 06:29:47  
I had a 20 foot between the wheels two axle trailer with a single 2" x 5" tube frame. It was a little lite for the length of the trailer and I didn't like the between the fenders issue. So, I added a second tube under the original frame spaced about 2 1/2 or 3" appart with sections cut from 6" rectangular tube. The new frame member is 24' while the old deck was only 20' so it made for a 4' beaver tail. My fenders are now only 3" above the deck. I also added a 3rd axle. I still have a low trailer and anything wider than the deck can be driven over or left on the fenders. While 3 axles can be a problem with the short turns you can do with a goose neck, it is not as big an issue with a bumper hitch as you cannot turn short enough for the problem. There is absolutely no comparison between the old trailer and what I have now. With the three axles the trailer is much more stable and way smoother. It literly floats over a railway track. One thing to watch when mounting axles is to make sure you have them far enough back because if you have too much trailer behind your axles it will want to wag the dog. By having adequate trailer (leverage) in front of the axles you maintain control of the trailer easier. With lots of deck length you can place your load where it needs to be. I find that almost regardless of what I am hauling I need to put the rear axle of the tractor right between the front of the rear and middle axles of the trailer (pretty well right between the tires). I've hauled the likes of 830 John Deere's (with fluid 9 - 10,000 lbs.) and a G125 4WD Versatile (around 14,000 lbs.) and I loaded them both very similar. I think the Versatile may have been about a foot back.

Long and the short of it, if you do it right, I think you would like what you are considering.

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Lincoln

02-05-2005 12:51:05




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 Re: Add third axel to trailer in reply to Frankie J, 02-05-2005 06:29:47  
A friend of mine added a third axle to his trailer. He hates it. The third axle tends to slide more when backing, and constantly picks up nailes. Two more tires to keep up.



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RustyFarmall

02-05-2005 06:52:36




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 Re: Add third axel to trailer in reply to Frankie J, 02-05-2005 06:29:47  
Wouldn"t it be easier to just relocate the existing axles 4 feet back from where they are now? An even better option would be to just strip all of your accessories from the trailer, sell it, and then buy a new trailer in the length you need. If you shop around you will find some pretty amazing deals.



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Loren

02-05-2005 23:22:22




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 I'm with Rusty, kinda. in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-05-2005 06:52:36  
Just grind the welds on the spring mounts off and relocate the axles and fenders. The end result will be way worth the trouble.



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