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CO

02-04-2005 06:30:25




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I"m going to tow a 4,000 lb tractor on a car trailer behind my private pick up through Kansas and Colorado. Are there requirements for me to stop a weigh stations? Or is there a web site I can use to look up the info. I found one that had the locations but not the info I needed as to the requirements. Thanks for any advice.




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Paul Janke

02-05-2005 09:26:39




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to CO, 02-04-2005 06:30:25  
These comments about weigh stations reminded me of the time I took a load into Wyoming from Montana. The scale just inside the Wyoming line weighed me, and then I went in to buy my trip permit. The man said I was overweight on the trailer. I asked how much it weighed. He told me it was 35,800 lbs. I then said I thought Wyoming was 36,000 on tandems. He said yes, but in Montana it is 34,000. I said to him "I'm not in Montana." He looked like you could have knocked him over with a feather. He did not expect that as a response. I bought my permit and went on my way.

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NC wayne

02-04-2005 19:57:05




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to CO, 02-04-2005 06:30:25  
After reading all the other replys I don't have anything to ad about the DOT guys or their interpretation of the regs because everybody else hit it square on the head all the way around as to what happens in 90% of the cases. I will say one thing that I found out a few years back, here in NC at least. If you need information call the weight station and ask for the Safety Officer. I got several different answers, to the same question, from the different stations around here until one officer gave me the name of the Seargent that was the safety Officer. When I talked to him he told me everything I needed to know, in plain, undestandable, English. He then told me that he was basically the ultimater one in charge of interpreting the regs and telling the other officer what they meant. He also said if I ever got stopped by an officer and hasseled for doing what he told me to do to have them call him and he would set them straight. In his words he said, ' My name is Sergeant ---- and I am the horses mouth around here. If one of my guys hassels you tell them to call me or you call me and I will set him straight about what the rules say...they aren't trained to interprete them, only to do what I tell them to.' Only been stopped once since then and I was legitimately overweight on my rear axel by about 2500 lbs. The oficer was extremely nice and I stood in the station talking to him about 45 minutes and learned a heck of alot more about what was and wasn't legal. Good luck.

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leland

02-04-2005 19:35:54




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to CO, 02-04-2005 06:30:25  
Don't worry just make sure all of your tie downs are DOT approved and if using straps make sure they have dot apporved on them drive the speed limit and don't look back and if stopped PLAY DUMB and make sure all of your equip is up to par and you will get by just fine.



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billyiron

02-04-2005 16:44:58




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to CO, 02-04-2005 06:30:25  
The only thing to know about the guys at weigh stations is they are too G!!D!!M FREAKING STUPID to be real cops,, so some idiot made these jobs for them-----my considered opinion!!!!



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Davis In SC

02-04-2005 18:56:49




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to billyiron, 02-04-2005 16:44:58  
A DOT man at the Georgetown, Ky scale gave me a break years ago, not too long after the CDL rules went into effect. I was hauling some machinery on a Ryder flatbed, around 31,000 lbs gross. I only had a regular driver's license good up to 26,000.... He made me sit inside for hours, then did an air-brake leak inspection, made me sit a few more hours, then handed me back my license, told me it was my lucky day.... I think he got a kick out of seeing me sweat...

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Bret4207

02-04-2005 16:39:26




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to CO, 02-04-2005 06:30:25  
Ya know, it's funny. I've been a Trooper for 18 years and specializing in CMV's as a DOT inspector for 2 years. Every day I stop trucks and meet guys from all over the US. With not more than a 5% exception they've been some of the nicest people I've dealt with. And also everyday I try to straighten them out on the FMCSA Regs so they don't get tickets that affect their income. Wasn't all that long ago I was feeding my faimly on $5.00 an hour. I get paid the same no matter how many tickets I write. I have a set of scales in the truck and, yeah, I get some guys that run heavy. I've tried to understand why I see the same guys running heavy time after time. Oddly they tend to run junk too. Nothing I'd rather have on the road with me and my family than an over weight Freightliner with bad front brake lines, a cracked frame, bad ball joints and maybe a guy at the wheel whose coming off a 3 day bender and hasn't slept in 18 hours. Now I'm not saying any of you meet that description, but that's part of the reason I'm out there. That and feeding my family. Some of you probably met the 10% of jerks every job has. And I'll admit the regular non-cop DOT types in my state generally have personalities that lack something along the lines best described as "professionalism". Still, some of the comments here sound like no more than plain old sour apples. Somebody got caught and nobody likes that. Just don't paint all of us the same.

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Guess who

02-05-2005 09:02:01




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to Bret4207, 02-04-2005 16:39:26  
fright liners have king pins not ball joints. In guess maybee the newer little ones may have ball joints but none I have ever seen.



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Bret4207

02-05-2005 14:40:48




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to Guess who, 02-05-2005 09:02:01  
By ball joints I'm refering to the ball and socket joints off the drag link and the tie rod ends.



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george md

02-04-2005 21:36:17




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to Bret4207, 02-04-2005 16:39:26  
Bret, It is quite evident that you don't work in Md,
in Md their job is to make money and give out as little information as possible so that they can get as
many people for the same law as possible .
This rotten little state has a choke hold on
all the north -south traffic and they are proud
of that fact. Route #1, 40 and 95 all have to cross the susquehanna river , there is a set of
scales at each one,a set each way on I- 70 ,on
I-83 , and on 68 there is a large insp building,and
more in southern md. They will tell you -we are
here to make money for the state , we are required
to be self sufficient. The one at conowingo US#1
is the newest, and before it opened they said it
would be paid for in three years -Cost of trucking went up. 52 ft trailers are not allowed on US#1,
there are no signs to inform the trucker , so every one that comes down the road from pa gets
nailed 500.00.

george

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john in la

02-04-2005 17:07:06




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to Bret4207, 02-04-2005 16:39:26  
Well Bret4207 I for one thank you for being out there. It keeps our roads safe. We all know what a mad house it would be with no enforcement.

I got over 2M miles in a truck and yes I have had my run in with the DOT before but never for something I knew about in advance.

But I challenge you to a truthful answer to a question.

You line up every officer in your state that can write a DOT ticket.
I will pick out 10 of these people.
We will ask them ONE DOT question as to what a rule says and where you have to be to be in violation of this rule.

How many different answers do you think we will get? 5? 8?

This is where the problem is. The feds tried to standardize the rules years ago by doing away with length laws and making all states go to at least 80,000 lbs on interstates but they did not go far enough.
We need one law for every state so all know what the laws are. This $hit of every state having a different law and the laws written so even a lawyer can not understand them is the root of the whole problem and makes for a lot of sour apples.

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Bret4207

02-05-2005 05:17:02




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to john in la, 02-04-2005 17:07:06  
The response you should get from all 10 is, "Let me check the chart or Regs." Anyone who tries to do Law Enforcement strictly by mememory is a fool. I've stepped in it myself enough times to know that's a fact. As for State laws on weights being screwy 'cuz they're all diffrerent- I agree completely. There should be standardization. There should also be no $$$$$ incentive involved. But it's Government you're dealing with and when has any government not taken our dollars? I'm right there with you guys on that one.

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john in la

02-04-2005 16:34:04




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to CO, 02-04-2005 06:30:25  
While I will not even attempt to quote weigh station laws because they make them up as they go I will say most states only want commercial vehicles to stop at the scales.

I THINK (notice I said think) CO. sets it at 16,000 lbs and KS. sets it at 26,000 lbs.
You may have to dig for it but the info you want is most likely here.
Kansas
Colorado

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37 chief

02-04-2005 15:56:30




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to CO, 02-04-2005 06:30:25  
Here in my part of California the California Highway Patrol, and Sheriff come to you. They have pickups with all the goodies to check everything on your truck or trailer, and roam the streets at will. I have seen them a lot of times, but they were going in the opposite direction or stopping someone else. I try to keep every thing ship shape. Stan



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john in la

02-04-2005 16:42:06




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to 37 chief, 02-04-2005 15:56:30  
I saw a guy at the Banning scale years ago.
He pulled on the scale with a out of state truck that looked like it would not pass a Ga. log truck standard.
They told him to pull around to the inspection pit. He does and then gets out with his suit case in hand. Inspector ask what he was doing. He says "I am going to call me a taxi or hitch a ride with another driver". He then said "I told my boss not to send that truck into Calif. but he would not listen. It is now his problem I am out of here".
They were still going on when I left.

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PEEDEE

02-04-2005 11:48:12




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to CO, 02-04-2005 06:30:25  
You"re right, these types of jobs seem to attract disfunctional bullies. I picked up my son from school yesterday. DOT guy is there in uniform picking up his son in DOT (read taxpayers) truck. A couple of kids walk across the road in front of this gomers illegally standing vehicle and he start wailing on his horn like an ignoramis. It takes all kinds.



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fixerupper

02-04-2005 11:25:31




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to CO, 02-04-2005 06:30:25  
Avoid the scales at all costs. If you call them for the rules, the officer giving you the rules may not be deciphering them the same as the one sitting behind the window at the scales. We have been through He.. and back hauling combines across the country on the harvest just because the officers don't all read the rules the same way.



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Nebraska Cowman

02-04-2005 10:27:32




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to CO, 02-04-2005 06:30:25  
I traveled out of state a year ago and had a bunch of heavy stuff slid under the tractor, Most of it wasn't tired down and I don't have commercial plates. I prayed that their eyes would be shut and I went over two scales. The light stayed green and I never stopped. I don't think they saw me.



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Dick2

02-04-2005 08:53:18




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to CO, 02-04-2005 06:30:25  
Colorado will stick you at every opportunity. I will never drive a truck or pickup/trailer through CO again. Should have insisted that they take a check; I suspect the "fee" I paid with cash went straight into the inspector's pocket. Avoid CO if at all possible.



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kraigwy

02-04-2005 08:51:05




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to CO, 02-04-2005 06:30:25  
I've hauled through both Kansas and Colorado. A Ford Sd diesel pulling a 24 gooseneck flat bed. Never stopped nor had a problem. (NON Comerical). In Wyoming you can get farm stickers for your plates and your are exempt from the scales. Like TV says play dumb, It has worked for me all over the country (except I wasn't playing). The only problem I have ever had was getting stopped at "customs" (fruit police) between Reno and California, they went over the tractor with a fine tooth comb to see if there was any mud on the tractor that might have seeds or something. Never figured that one out. It was raining like mad so I wasn't the only one playing dumb.

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john in la

02-04-2005 16:50:21




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to kraigwy, 02-04-2005 08:51:05  
The AZ fruit police can be a pain. Nothing comes in with out being inspected. They search cars more than trucks because the average Joe does not know the rules.
It would not be a bad job though. You got a endless supply of free oranges, plants, ect.



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Davis In SC

02-04-2005 19:15:40




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to john in la, 02-04-2005 16:50:21  
John, on the same note, I knew a guy that worked for US Customs. He said that when he worked the US/Canada border, he had an endless supply of fireworks.....



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T_Bone

02-04-2005 08:40:48




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to CO, 02-04-2005 06:30:25  
Hi Co,

Colorado has a sign posted at the scales, No pick-ups unless with livestock.

If you have Co plates and livestock then you don't have to stop and they won't bother you.

Anything can happen tho,

My son went to Co. to pick up a 14ft bass boat his Grandfather gave him using his AZ, Ranger pick-up. He's comes past the scales at Cortez, Co and heads south to the Four Corners. Just as he gets to Four corners about 70miles away, he gets pulled over by DOT;

DOT says "Why didn't you scale at Cortez?

Son says "I was unware that trailers under 10,000lbs had to scale. Is this a spot check or something?"

DOT says "No, we help Game and Fish out and find most motor homes have over there limit in game. We noticed in the camera your AZ truck plate and the CO boat plate. You need to return to the Cortez scales, wheres your license"

Son hands his "CDL" license to the DOT officer.

About 10 minutes latter DOT officer comes back really pissed. My son is Federal Marshall and every time he gets stopped or questioned, his supervisor has to be notified. Read this as 4 hrs of paper work for the DOT officer :)

He "let him go" for being a fellow officer but got a chewing out for failing to indenifiy himself.

T_Bone

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Allan in NE

02-04-2005 09:00:59




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to T_Bone, 02-04-2005 08:40:48  
T-Bone,

That is what I was thinking. They are not going to worry about a little 1/2 ton pickup towing a U-Haul trailer with a lawn mower tractor.

'Course ya just never know with those sorts; sometimes the bully instinct just naturally comes out of those guys.

Allan



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dr.sportster

02-04-2005 07:45:38




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to CO, 02-04-2005 06:30:25  
You dont want to begin to be involved woth those people.Listen to the tractor vet.Go around on other roads.



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the tractor vet

02-04-2005 07:34:01




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to CO, 02-04-2005 06:30:25  
Weigh stations can be a real PITA and no two states are the same buy yourself a truckers Atlas and find a way around wear your John Deere hat and bibbed overhuals and have some old hay or straw layen in the bed and a pack of Mail pouch in your back pocket and PLAY REAL DUMB.



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RustyFarmall

02-04-2005 07:10:18




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to CO, 02-04-2005 06:30:25  
If I remember correctly you would be required to stop in Colorado, not sure about Kansas but I would think the laws there would be similar. You will be required to have the truck licensed for the weight you will be carrying. This includes TOTAL weight of the truck, trailer, and cargo. It does get rather complicated and some of the laws are really difficult to interpret. Your best bet is to use roads that do not have weigh stations whenever possible. I will also strongly caution against taking your rig through the mountainous portions of Colorado unless you have prior experience. Going up is not much of a problem. Going down is another matter, it will get really hairy really fast.

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Bubba

02-04-2005 07:01:26




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to CO, 02-04-2005 06:30:25  
Don't guess, call each DOT and ask. Even more important, make sure you are legal... chains, breakaway, lights, hold downs, etc.



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kyhayman

02-04-2005 09:21:44




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to Bubba, 02-04-2005 07:01:26  
Not only ask, but write down the officers name, teh date, and the time of the conversation.



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rej

02-04-2005 07:47:48




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to Bubba, 02-04-2005 07:01:26  
Here in NC we only have weigh stations on the interstates, don't know about your area. If I have to haul on the interstate using my trailer, I wait until the weekends when the weight stations are closed. Call the stations , they will tell you their schedule. BJ



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Harley

02-04-2005 09:02:14




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to rej, 02-04-2005 07:47:48  
Sure wish you hadn't even gone here. Started trucking in 1970, and have been doing so off and on since, and the only thing weigh stations are good for is giving the communist, back-stabbing, union,lazy S.O.B.s that work there a place to get in out of the weather. Why don't they go pick on somebody that is not out trying to make a living. This posting site is not NEARLY long enough to document all the tales I could come up with about 30 or so years of trucking through weigh scales. No two states are the same. You have to be a Philadelphia lawyer to interpret the individual state's statutes, and then they change them on you and you can start all over.

With a pickup, like others have said, I would and have just drive by them and not even look at them. You're not commercial, and if they want you, they are going to get you for something anyway.

But I digress, I'll hold back now from telling what I really think about D.O.T. Later, Harley

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ND

02-04-2005 23:11:19




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to Harley, 02-04-2005 09:02:14  
I once stopped at a station in Minot, ND. They held me there for an hour going over my outfit. Finally they said "Well, I don't think you're legal but I don't know what to charge you with so have a nice day."



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MeAnthony

02-04-2005 12:02:05




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to Harley, 02-04-2005 09:02:14  
My oldest brother used to truck a few years back, and he told me of something he witnessed at one of those stations. 'Ol boy in front of him was ticketed for being overweight. Well, he pulled off to the side, parked and padlocked his trailer. He then called the big boys, Federal Marshall, I think it was. When this officer showed, the driver handed over his overweight ticket, then opened the trailer. Guess what? Empty!

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thurlow

02-04-2005 11:47:57




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to Harley, 02-04-2005 09:02:14  
Well, gee, Harley, go ahead and tell what you really think; I promise we won't tell and I imagine us stay-at-home types would find it interesting..... ..personally, never run out-of-state much (dually with gooseneck cattle or equipment trailer), but I gather mine (Tennessee) is one of the more lenient states, at least to someone who is obviously a farmer, like me.



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Harley

02-04-2005 16:26:12




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to thurlow, 02-04-2005 11:47:57  
Tenn. ain't bad. My own state of Misery can be the pits on 71 south of K.C. and on 29 north of K.C., Ohio is the $hit$. Ky at the state line on 60 don't have a scale, but a port of entry trailerhouse, and BOY do they take their job seriously. Came back one time from delivering a tractor to Atlanta, empty trailer, went in with all paperwork, and they looked till they found the date on my physical card missing. Doctor hadn't dated it. Gonna redline me. Went outside, dated it, went back inside, showed it to him, and guess what, he let me go. Couldn't believe it. The old woman though thought I had burned her house, raped her dog, pillaged her crops, and stole the family jewels. What a witch. I had a bushel basket full of speeding tickets when I got off the road commercially in 1990, and didn't get a one I didn't deserve, but scales. Man. They are something else. Done ranting for now, Harley

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Jeff Oliver

02-04-2005 14:47:44




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to thurlow, 02-04-2005 11:47:57  
yep I agree. I live in Tn also and have never had a problem at all even when hauling to or from a show and it is pretty obvious I would be overweight. I am licensed for everything I haul but sometimes I am not sure the truck is rated for it. What part of Tn you in? I am in northwest Tn.



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thurlow

02-04-2005 15:20:46




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Ripley..... ..



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RustyFarmall

02-04-2005 09:26:20




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to Harley, 02-04-2005 09:02:14  
Harley, I can imagine the stories you could tell. I was an over the road trucker for less than a year and that was enough for me. If those chicken coop people are having a bad day, there isn't a rig on the road on the road that they won't find something wrong with.



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Allan in NE

02-04-2005 09:57:47




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-04-2005 09:26:20  
Well, wait a minute, Rusty.

I mean, let's think about this a minute. If you saw Harley toolin' down the road in a rig, don't cha think you'd pull him over too?

Probably with sidearm drawn? :>)

Allan



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RustyFarmall

02-04-2005 11:17:47




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Hadn't really thought about it that way, but since you mentioned it, naw, I ain't goin there.



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Harley

02-04-2005 11:40:39




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-04-2005 11:17:47  
Well I guess you guys got me there and I really can't argue with you much. A 57 year old hippy, pony tail, tatoos, bibs, boots, "I been to Nam so you can't send me to he11 attitude, Ya I guess I would be a little leary of me too. Later, Harley



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Brown Dirt Cowboy

02-05-2005 10:18:37




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 Re: Weigh Stations in reply to Harley, 02-04-2005 11:40:39  
Harley with a description like that I'm glad you don't work in the chicken house. Later. Tom PS Been out here on the road for 31 yrs now and it never ceases to amaze me how long it takes some DOT men to weigh an empty wagon. Tom



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