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kirk C,

02-03-2005 05:46:36

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Ita complete hieressy what the tractor co,s
are getting,or wanting for their Equipment,
I mean the totally rediculous prices their asking,
I mean 25,000 for most of the utility types,
give me king sized break,even under 100 hp,
do they think that everbodys rich in Kings houses
or something,dear God,
Somethings got to change,or else!
Kirk Conway,

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cdmn

02-04-2005 20:45:34

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to kirk C,, 02-03-2005 05:46:36

Look. Any time you spend money, it ends up being converted to energy somewhere down the line. A good way to compare prices then and now, is by the equivalent gallons of gas it would have cost. (somehow considering gas tax). I think gas in 1960 was about 15 cents a gallon before tax. My Dad's 1960 pickup was $2000 outright. That's 13,000 gallons. Today that much gas would be about $20,000 + tax. He partly paid for the truck by milking 12 cows. However, it takes more gallons of milk today. (He had other farm income besides)

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cat

02-03-2005 18:24:53

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to kirk C,, 02-03-2005 05:46:36

Or else what?

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Bubba

02-03-2005 13:40:47

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to kirk C,, 02-03-2005 05:46:36

You can buy a half-dozen good used tractors (I'm partial to Olivers) for what most modern junk costs and have much better tractors.

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Paul in Mich

02-03-2005 09:30:24

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to kirk C,, 02-03-2005 05:46:36

Kirk, I"m curious..... Or else What?

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Hayman

02-03-2005 09:04:58

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to kirk C,, 02-03-2005 05:46:36

The U.S. dollar is being constantly devalued so what you see are the result.Much more of the same to come.

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RustyFarmall

02-03-2005 06:48:06

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to kirk C,, 02-03-2005 05:46:36

And it's not just the tractors, everything is way overpriced today.

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Allan in NE

02-03-2005 06:06:29

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to kirk C,, 02-03-2005 05:46:36

Yep,

Makes my old junkers look better every day. :>)

Allan

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Cowman

02-03-2005 06:49:33

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to Allan in NE, 02-03-2005 06:06:29

yup Allan, the times they are a changin' Who'a ever thunk it 30 years ago? I still remember my first pickup truck, $2150 right off the showroom floor. And I was working for $1.65 an hour. A year or two later I was drawing $3.15 and that was top wage in the shop.

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Tim...OK

02-03-2005 07:54:21

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to Cowman, 02-03-2005 06:49:33

We had a 66 ford 3/4 ton my dad paid $1350 for it off the showroom floor.. has about 400,000 miles on it..I know it's gonna break down soon..piece of junk ford..LOL

Do ya reckon it owes us anything?? (grin)

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Allan in NE

02-03-2005 07:35:33

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to Cowman, 02-03-2005 06:49:33

Boy, I guess.

The first "paying" job I ever had was when I plowed for my uncle using his 70 JD and a two bottom plow. Cold, blustry March and I was totally miserable.

Got paid $23 for three days and thought I was a rich man. :>)

Then again, one of my dad's hired men, of years ago, lives up the road from me a ways. I remember dad used to pay him $100 a month and gave him a house to live in.

He now has his current house & 5 acres of vertical rock for sale at $400K. Yep, times have changed. :>)

Allan

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thurlow

02-03-2005 09:35:33

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to Allan in NE, 02-03-2005 07:35:33

Dang, y'all make me feel old; when I was first old enough to drive a tractor (and do other farm work.....early '50s), going rate was $3.00 PER DAY..... .for 10 hours; of course, I didn't get that; as long as I put my feet under my Dad's table, that was all the pay I could expect.

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bigdog746

02-03-2005 07:30:14

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to Cowman, 02-03-2005 06:49:33

what kind of truck did you get for $2150. in '74, In '73 I bought a new Ford F-100 XLT paid about $3600. best i can remember thought that was too much then too, Hmmm

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Dooley

02-03-2005 07:42:47

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to bigdog746, 02-03-2005 07:30:14

I bought a new 3/4 Chevy with 350/auto for $3550.00 in 1974.

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Rauville

02-03-2005 08:35:29

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to Dooley, 02-03-2005 07:42:47

My first new vehicle was a 1967 Camero (bought in Sept. 66) for $2750.00...
My first new pickup was a 1968 Chevy CST (Custom Sport Truck w/ bucket seats, etc.) for $2975.00...
My first new 4x4 pickup was a 1972 Chevy 1/2T for $4100.00...
My first speeding ticket cost $12.00 (10.00 + 2.00 court cost)...
Yes!...the times they are changing...

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Davis In SC

02-03-2005 20:31:21

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to Rauville, 02-03-2005 08:35:29

First new truck, 1977 K-10 Chevy 4X4 350 Auto , no air, 78's were already out...list was 6600 & change... gave 5000. First ticket 66 in a 40 zone (was doing 80, but hit brakes) 10 dollars, trooper gave me a break since I was a student at the time....

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Allan in NE

02-03-2005 08:41:11

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to Rauville, 02-03-2005 08:35:29

Hey Rau!

Me too. Well, $19 including the darned court costs.

My dad went with me to pay the ticket. He told the JP that if this should ever happen agian, don't bother giving the kid a ticket. Just throw him in jail.

I didn't speed anymore,

Allan

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BoMo

02-03-2005 07:26:00

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to Cowman, 02-03-2005 06:49:33

Yep, and I'll bet that truck was just as nice as the one you drive today..... ....he, he..... .

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RustyFarmall

02-03-2005 06:55:19

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to Cowman, 02-03-2005 06:49:33

So at $1,65 an hour you would have worked 1,303 hours to pay for that truck. Any one want to do the math and see how that compares to today?

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Shep VA

02-03-2005 07:22:11

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-03-2005 06:55:19

Well, if you bought a new truck today at say $25,000 you would need to be making at least $19.18 per hour to be at the same rate.

$19.18 x 40 hours is roughly $40,000 per year income

So you need to be making $40,000 now to be able to afford the truck at the same ratio as you did back then.

$1.65 x 40 hours is $3,432 per year.

That is still a lot of money for a vehicle in either example.

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Jack B. Nimble

02-03-2005 07:18:24

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-03-2005 06:55:19

I just priced a new Ford F-250. Sticker is $33,000.00. Around here we get about $20.00 an hour. So if I paid sticker I would work 1650 hours to pay it off. Not to far from where it was back then, especially after you talk the dealer down a little.

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Mike M

02-03-2005 07:33:50

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to Jack B. Nimble, 02-03-2005 07:18:24

$20.00 an hour around here ? where is here ? I'm on my way !!!

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Jack B. Nimble

02-03-2005 08:01:32

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to Mike M, 02-03-2005 07:33:50

"Around here" is Northeast Ohio doing heavy construction.

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John51

02-03-2005 07:32:39

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to Jack B. Nimble, 02-03-2005 07:18:24

Yes, and look what you are getting. My 2005 truck is certainly a lot better vehicle than my 1976, plus it has so many more features. So you can't just compare wages and price, you also have to compare 1975 truck to 2005 truck.

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buickanddeere

02-03-2005 07:52:57

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to John51, 02-03-2005 07:32:39

I agree. The 2005 truck is an absolute bargain in safety, fuel efficiency and comfort compaired to the 1970 truck at the same price adjusted for inflation. Oh, yes the yearning for the good old days. Why not just roll the clock back 100 years before unions, improved working condiitons, weekends off, indoor plumbing, electricity and modern health care. Look at the Deere replacememnt for the 4020, the 6604 or 6606 ( if memeory serves). Look at the price figuring inflation or even the price of beef, pork, milk etc. Safer, much more fuel efficient and more productive per HP with 4WD. With options undreamed of in 1964 to 1972.

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Bobdill

02-03-2005 07:50:41

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to John51, 02-03-2005 07:32:39

Don't know how we got off on truck prices, BUT I would gladly have my old Dodge Job Rated 3/4 ton 1956 truck for the $600.00 I paid for it back then than any of todays trucks for thier prices. Also those 70's Ford tractors were real bargins but we didn't know it at the time.

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brtx

02-03-2005 07:50:36

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to John51, 02-03-2005 07:32:39

when that 2005 gets to the age of the 76 i dont think you will be saying its a better truck.wait till all the extra features start going bad.cost of upkeep.ill take an older tractor or truck any day of the week.this old man doesnt need all these new features and electronic marvels for basic transportation.my .03

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buickanddeere

02-03-2005 14:04:49

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Re: stupid tractor prices, in reply to brtx, 02-03-2005 07:50:36

I've spent more fixing older vehicles than what paying for new ones would have cost. When done repairing an old vehicle, all that you have left is bills to pay and an old vehicle. For five years I've been stuck with incompetent high school dropouts who got an auto apprenticeship. Errors made were�. Over torqued fuel injector body and split it. New replacement injector internal valve stuck wide open. Too long a bolt in the rear main/oil pump, pushed the main bearing into the crank. The balancer shaft had a late roller bearing installed in the early block and the oil holes didn't line up. The cam sprocket was installed without the bushing and timing was grossly advanced at least 12+ degrees. The heads were machined for guide plates for the adjustable rocker arms. They took too much metal off and the adjustment lock nuts could not tighten. So they just ground the bottom off the lock nut to gain adjustment. Then they reused these locknuts over at every rebuild even though I supplied shorter push rods to compensate for new nuts could be used. Valve lash kept working loose and valve train would get noisy. The 3rd engine was dropped and busted the distributor but they stuck it in there and said nothing. They also broke the windshield, heater/AC housing and a body trim piece. To finish it off the test run consisted of a low gear, foot on the floor sprint just to see how many rpms she would make. That mashed the valve springs which caused a hard to find mid+ rpm miss. Who would ever expect to look for that? Also forgot, the engine over heated due to a plugged cat converter which had been saturated when the broke fuel body was spraying raw unmetered fuel into the intake manifold. Had to remove and machine square the intake manifold as it warped/leaked coolant.

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