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renoununknown

02-01-2005 11:29:00

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I believe what you say even in private is being used against some people to torture, humiliate and control their lives. I also believe that what you say is being used as a basis for taking personal property. Should speech be monitored and recorded 24/7 to create a database whichcan be used against that person? What do you think?

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Nolan

02-02-2005 03:59:03

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

Wire taps and such have been used for decades to record conversations people thought were private in order to be used against them in criminal and civil trials. This is nothing new. As another person said, you seem to be mixing up free speech with privacy.

As for the actual question regarding free speech, certainly that is being curtailed. The prosecution and termination of employees for what they say privately at work, particularly via e-mails and web board postings is steadily increasing. Political correctness in speech has become so entrenched that people don't even recognize it any longer. Our current president and his minions have been quite loud in their opposition to free speech following 9/11.

But then, most people think free speech means the right to say whatever they want, whenever they want, without accountability or responsibility for their words. That was never the case.

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Nolan

02-02-2005 08:41:09

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to Nolan, 02-02-2005 03:59:03

Happened to come across this, where two guys are going before a grand jury for telling lawyer jokes.

Telling lawyer jokes

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MNbarnstormer

02-01-2005 19:05:58

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

we still have freedom of speech,as long as noone gets offended by what you say.

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Too Far Gone

02-01-2005 17:02:04

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

If I knew for sure they were listening,Id give'em an ear full.

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thurlow

02-01-2005 14:09:17

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

I'm not sure if anyone is monitoring my speech, although I'm almost sure they are; I know for a fact they're monitoring my thoughts. At least 3 or 4 times a week, I can sense the black helicopters outside (always at night); I go out to look and cannot hear or see them, but they're there. WE NEED TO WAKE UP, PEOPLE, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. If they're not checking your thoughts, they soon will be; probably you just can not sense them, but there're there..... ....

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Bill WI

02-01-2005 15:03:40

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to thurlow, 02-01-2005 14:09:17

Come on guys, lighten up. Didn't Santa always keep a black book on us? I'm so damned good the coal dealers up here went out of buisness. lol

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Harley

02-01-2005 14:16:27

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to thurlow, 02-01-2005 14:09:17

Thurlow, I think you are on to something here. I have been hearing and seeing things since 1968 after I got to Nam. All kinds of things happened. Little animals, pink elephants, short people with almond shaped eyes, you know the usual stuff we see when we KNOW THEY are out there. I'm just glad someone else is seeing and hearing these things. I thought it was just me. Later, Harley

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thurlow

02-01-2005 14:31:08

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to Harley, 02-01-2005 14:16:27

I don't talk about this very much because most people just roll their eyes, the Sheriff's department won't even talk to me; but you and I KNOW..... .. just wait, we'll be vindicated.

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Harley

02-01-2005 22:06:10

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to thurlow, 02-01-2005 14:31:08

Yep, or duplicated, again, if THEY catch us again and take us back up to Urgonavarian for more research. Gives a whole new meaning to the term "Out of this world", huh. Later, and I mean that literally, Harley

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MarkB_MI

02-01-2005 13:47:41

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

I think you're confusing "free speech" with "privacy". The fact is, pretty much anything you say in public could always be used against you in a court of law. It just that it's a lot more difficult to say anything today without someone listening.

As far as privacy goes, your privacy is slowly going away, probably in ways you never even noticed. Case in point: Those supermarket discount cards, do you realize that they are used to track every single purchase you make? Yep, Kroger knows exactly how many tubes of Preparation H you went through last year. There was a recent case where a man was (wrongly) arrested for arson because his Safeway discount card showed that he had recently purchased fire starter sticks.

I could post more examples, but my point is that we have NO privacy, and we don't even know when we lost it.

Man arrested because of Safeway discount card

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dr.sportster

02-01-2005 13:53:35

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to MarkB_MI, 02-01-2005 13:47:41

Oh man now I have to start a new secret file on you Mark.

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Dave_Id

02-01-2005 13:22:34

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

Only if it"s "Politically Correct", and it doesn"t offend the ADL, or any other fringe group

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Redmud

02-01-2005 13:20:08

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

I believe in free speech, I also believe those Professors that try to teach our kids that America got what it deserved on 9-11, need their butts kicked out of the U.S. I also believe, that those that say things over the airwaves, that put our service men and women in harms way, need their butts kicked. {Really mild as to what I believe}
I also believe those that deal in child porn should have their private parts removed. And the list goes on.

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Uh-huh

02-01-2005 19:56:36

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to Redmud, 02-01-2005 13:20:08

The only person I've ever heard say that "America got what it deserved on 9-11" was Jerry Falwell !

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dr.sportster

02-01-2005 13:27:26

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to Redmud, 02-01-2005 13:20:08

So you beleive in free speech that you like.Sounds like you and Stalin have similar ideals.

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Redmud

02-01-2005 14:13:29

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to dr.sportster, 02-01-2005 13:27:26

Don't know what to make of that comment Mr sportster.

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dr.sportster

02-02-2005 07:02:37

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to Redmud, 02-01-2005 14:13:29

Hey cmon Im not a chiropractor.

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dr.sportster

02-01-2005 13:30:49

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to dr.sportster, 02-01-2005 13:27:26

I didnt like my own last comment.Im starting a secret file to keep watch on myself.

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Mark - IN.

02-01-2005 20:57:41

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to dr.sportster, 02-01-2005 13:30:49

I usually just turn myself in. Once got chewed out by the boss for doing something that I was supposed to do. When he got done, I recited it back to him word for word, and when he agreed with me, I suspended myself without pay for 3 days and hung up on him. Then called chief steward and told him that I was just suspended for 3 days without pay, I wasn't fighting it, and would be in Monday (after finished suspension) to sign the papers of dicipline, and hung up on him. He paged me back to find out what the h... I was talking about, then conferenced me in with the boss, and I told them that while I was suspended, I'd consider firing myself, and let them know my decision when returned Monday and hung up on them both. I sure got chewed out for that, but am still working there.

Mark

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dr.sportster

02-02-2005 05:00:52

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to Mark - IN., 02-01-2005 20:57:41

Thats pretty good I like that.

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Mitchissippi

02-01-2005 13:50:50

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Ah HA! . . . in reply to dr.sportster, 02-01-2005 13:30:49

You sir, just may have typed the answer to the worlds problems!

My hat is off.

Mitch

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Joseph Stalin

02-01-2005 13:46:04

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to dr.sportster, 02-01-2005 13:30:49

Never mind, we already have an extensive file on you. ;o)

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Loren-MN

02-01-2005 13:18:43

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

Talk is cheap, free speech still there, only if your x-wife is the editor of a major US newspaper

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Mitchissippi

02-01-2005 13:18:03

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More importantly, . . . in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

More importantly, I think some PEOPLE should be monitored 24/7.

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slim

02-01-2005 13:01:34

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

I always heard that talk was cheap (as in free). Are you saying the price has gone up?

slim

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Errin OH

02-01-2005 12:56:52

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

Hummmmm.....

Guess that depends. If'n your talkin bout 20-40 year old middle-eastern men talkin bout blowin me up, more power to them.

If your talkin bout some blow dealer tryin to provide my kiddies with with gold, more power to them.

Personally I think if your so paranoid that it bothers ya, you might just be doing something you shouldn't.

As for me, they could listen in all they want, I doubt they'd be awake very long..... .

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John M

02-01-2005 12:42:45

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

What the %$#@ are you talking about?

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dr.sportster

02-01-2005 12:34:47

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

I cant talk right now Im adding new secret info to YOUR file.

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lucasss

02-01-2005 12:31:15

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

they can probably find out who you are by your ip address # . major mistake mr unknown

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

02-01-2005 12:26:14

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

If the shoe fits, chew it.

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big fred

02-01-2005 12:19:02

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

Yes, definitely.

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Mike M

02-01-2005 12:03:16

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

I'm sure it allready is. Everything I type here is being archived so it can be used against me at a later date !

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Sloroll

02-01-2005 12:03:16

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to renoununknown, 02-01-2005 11:29:00

Guess it never helped Nixon none.

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MGTPa

02-01-2005 12:38:36

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to Sloroll, 02-01-2005 12:03:16

I'm deleting the next 18 minutes of E-mail!!!

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Mitchissippi

02-01-2005 12:16:37

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to Sloroll, 02-01-2005 12:03:16

Being smarter than the nixon boys should be required also.

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Jerry Cent. Mi.

02-01-2005 15:27:23

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to Mitchissippi, 02-01-2005 12:16:37

I love those black choppers. Even got the wife believing in them. Every time a new tractor shows up I tell her the black helicopers brought it. Or it followed me home.

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Larry NE IL

02-01-2005 20:09:05

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Re: Do we still have free speech? OT in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 02-01-2005 15:27:23

Just remember; it's ALWAYS easier to be forgiven than it is to get permission. If you don't believe that, just ask your wife if it's O.K. to go out and get drunk and pick up some pretty girls!

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