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Pawel

01-28-2005 10:14:01

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Hi Everyone,

I have a 1655 cockshutt tractor that I"m trying to use right now to plow out my laneway, but I don"t seem to be having such good luck-- I just broke my blade again for the 3rd time plowing out the nieghbours lane. Even when it isn"t broken it doesn"t plow snow too well, as I"m pushing in reverse my tires tend to slip alot, and I can"t plow through much more than 1 ft of snow, let alone drifts.

I suppose a front blade on the tractor would be the best option, but how would you end up mounting it? I"ve seen ones just "stuck" on the front of a tractor, but are the blades which mount back to the drawbar better for tracton and if you hit a rock or something?

I"m 18 so I don"t have a lot of $$ to buy a fully rigged system is it possible to make one up which will do the job?

Does anyone have any ideas, short of repairing my blade again (or getting a heavier duty one)??

Thanks, Pawel

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Hugh MacKay

01-30-2005 03:19:14

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Pawel, 01-28-2005 10:14:01

Pawel: To start with I would never buy a loader to plow snow with. Might use one some if I owned it. Just about every tractor loader I've ever seen that plowed much snow has been twisted by the job. If you notice you will see farm tractor loaders that hang low on one side. 9 times out of 10 that has occured hitting something, when plowing snow.

If you take the advice of guys that suggested chains, that will be your very best move. You will actually damage your current blade less, because of the increased traction, you will not need to take runs at snow to get through. The slower speeds will actually be easier on the whole unit.

The only thing a front blade will actually do for you is save your neck. The biggest trouble I ever get into plowing snow with my Farmall 130, I push too far, snow falls behind my 18" high by 6' wide blade, then I cant back away. Happens quite often without chains, and has happened once this winter with chains on. That will very rarely happen with a rear blade.

Now if I were wanting to get into snow plowing business, where you are running from one residential area to another, pickup with angle plow is the way to go. Buy a trailer and a 40-50 hp skid steer to compliment the truck. Those loaders will stand up, the big benefit being you see more of the frozen or concrete obstacials.

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jhill

01-29-2005 11:19:56

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Pawel, 01-28-2005 10:14:01

Pawel,
I live in Michigan and I have plowed alot of snow over the years. I have plowed snow with a loader, and front and rear blades. I like a front mount plow the best. A v plow like old has works good but I have an old Meyers truck plow mounted on a Ford 641. With chains it will really move snow. I built a subframe to mount on the tractor and the plow pivots on that. Chains are a must if you have any ice and they will not do any damage to the public roads.

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farmalljim10

01-29-2005 05:15:11

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Pawel, 01-28-2005 10:14:01

Fix your blade then try putting some shoes on it you can even weld some on temporly then cut or grind them off in summer. bend a 4x4 1/4 inch plate into a slight V and weld it to the cutting edge it aint pretty but it works and gravel doesent care either. Cheap and dirty but it works.

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Pawel

01-29-2005 05:43:16

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Re: Snow blade in reply to farmalljim10, 01-29-2005 05:15:11

Thanks Jim, I think I'll try that for right now, as there isn't a whole lot of winter left : )anyway, let me rephrase that, MAYBE not alot of deep SNOW left to come anyway here in Ontario.

Thanks for posting _ Pawel

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Lincoln

01-28-2005 18:42:36

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Pawel, 01-28-2005 10:14:01

I have a tractor with a loader, one with a front blade, and one with a rear blade. I like the rear blade the best unless the snow is really deep. I also have a set of chains on every tractor I own. They are a must for moving any decent amount of snow. If you haven't had a set on you will be amazed at the difference it makes.

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Pawel

01-29-2005 05:45:05

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Lincoln, 01-28-2005 18:42:36

Hi Lincoln,

Thanks for posting- I heard that chains could ruin the rubber on tires-I've never used them before, so would you say there is any truth to that?

Pawel

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Lincoln

01-29-2005 17:08:32

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Pawel, 01-29-2005 05:45:05

I've never had any trouble hurting the tires, nor have I heard of anyone else having trouble. When I first started moving snow with my Case 600 I had the same trouble you are having. I put a set of chains on and it was like a whole new tractor. New chains are expensive but the can be found real reasonble at farm sales. I bought a set of 15.5 X 38 yesterday for $30. Good Luck

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DStout

01-28-2005 18:13:15

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Pawel, 01-28-2005 10:14:01

Look in the tractor photos for my Oliver 1650 that I put a 10ft front mounted snow blade on. It works great!

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HoneyRancher

01-28-2005 17:27:43

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Pawel, 01-28-2005 10:14:01

I plow snow with a 30 HP Kubota with a front loader & rear blade. The blade is a 7' LandPride, pretty heavy duty. I put 'er in four wheel drive, put the loader in FLOAT with the bucket curled so it's front edge is about 2" off the gravel, angle the rear blade about 30 degrees and REVERSE it so I am plowing with the backside of the blade (keeps it from digging into the gravel or getting hung up on frozen rocks or lumps). I plow forward in 5th or 6th gear and let the loader bucket fill up so it acts like a straight blade in front. I do not have chains or loaded tires and I have plowed through 12"-16" snow.

If you don't get it all on the first pass, go back over it again. If the windrows at the sides get a little high, push them back with the loader after you have cleared the main part of the driveway. If you don't have a loader, you can back into the pile with the back blade and push it but you have to be careful not to break it (as you already know). You can also take a minute to get off and reverse the blade so you can back up and push with the back side of the blade. It might ride up some but it will probably push enough to work and it won't dig into the ground or break on the frozen ground.

I also have a hydraulic top link on my 3 point so I can tilt the blade but I don't use it much in plowing snow.

Dress warm, relax and enjoy the tractor time! Hope this helps a little.

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Pawel

01-29-2005 05:50:11

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Re: Snow blade in reply to HoneyRancher, 01-28-2005 17:27:43

Thanks for posting- My main problem, after breaking the blade is spinning around in 1 spot doing nothing. I don't know if its just my tractor, or else the snow that we get here- I don't know if chains would be an option b/c lots of the laneways I plow out are a ways away from where I live, and I don't think the MOT would enjoy me breaking up their road!! :D

Pawel

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nwb

01-28-2005 16:25:40

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Pawel, 01-28-2005 10:14:01

Pawel, I see your dilema somewhat different then the others. If I understand correctly you have a lightweight blade and limited money. I happen to like blades. They are relatively cheap, versatile, and easy to put on. First when you fix you blade try to reinforce it and not just weld it back together. There are many light blades out there and perhaps yours is just too light. But do your best to fix it. The good news is that (around here anyway) the market is steady, they all sell for about the same price. So you can probably fix yours , sell it and buy a better quality one for about the same money. Now about plowing, try the blade with an angle as suggested in an earlier post. This allows you to get thru the snow without pushing it all. Try making some clearings part way thru the run, so as not to push the snow a great distance. You can also drive thru the snow forward with the blade down. This will clear part of the snow so that it is easier to "finish" plowing. Watch your speed. You have more HP than blade. Slower speed gives you more time to hit the clutch. Finally be aware of hidden objects or structures. Snagging the blade on something is the quickest way to break it.
I agree with the others that there are better ways to move snow. But blades have will work and they are cheap and available. Take time and learn to use yours. Good luck.

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wdtom

01-28-2005 14:45:58

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Pawel, 01-28-2005 10:14:01

I will admit a loader will pickup snow and put it where you want it. No arguement here. However to all who say a snowplow doesn't work very will, I will say this. I have been using an Allis Chalmers B, with chains and loaded rear tires for years. It will push up a good pile and I have never had a problem with my drive. We get heavy wet snow sometimes that is slippery too. Once when it was abut 10 inches deep and half slush, I admit a loader would have been nice, but I plowed it OK. Plows work.

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01-28-2005 14:36:38

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Pawel, 01-28-2005 10:14:01

Why so many dilemas on here about plowing with tractors,the best way to plow is in a nice warm pickup (preferably a Ford,lol)now granted I know I might sound like a smarta##,but I dont mean to.And Im also sure that everybody cant go out and buy a pick-up plow set up. Im very fortunate to have one its not new (1989). But I cant imagine plowing my 600 ft. drive with anything else. I have one tractor with loader and backblade.I think what amazes me the most is that a lot of people here have god knows how many tractors(and some I believe dont even have a farm,lol)I would have to take these recources and sell 3-4 of them and get a pick-up plow setup.I also think that some of you actually enjoy being out there in the elements pushing that snow around with a tractor,well more power to ya buddy,but Im just not that gung-ho.So Pawel good luck to ya and in the future I suggest one of your goals is to get a pick-up.

Stan

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01-28-2005 13:57:35

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Pawel, 01-28-2005 10:14:01

Pawel,
If you are going to get serious about this snow moving thing, you are wasting your time with a back blade, they just don't have the strenght for it. As Allan, informed you, the best thing you could do is to buy yourself a loader. If you are really mechanical, you could build a loader or loader frame and blade and put it on the front of your tractor. You will get 10 times the amount of snow moved with a loader that you can with a back blade. Jim

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Paul in WI

01-28-2005 13:40:31

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Pawel, 01-28-2005 10:14:01

I have to disagree that a front blade doesn�t work well. If that were the case then all of the state, county and private snowplows in the State of Wisconsin would all be out of work!

I took a blade from a pickup truck and used 2 6 in channel irons and mounted it to the front of my 1800C. I move a lot of snow with it. When I have it angled I can clean a large lot in no time at all. No I can�t PILE it 10 feet high like a loader can, but I push piles that are 6-11 foot high all the time. BTW I bought the channel iron new for $60. I have a photo of my rig in the photo area

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VADAVE

01-28-2005 16:39:17

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Paul in WI, 01-28-2005 13:40:31

Hey Paul I looked for your photo and I have to be looking in the wrong place. Which gallery are you in?

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Farmall Don

01-28-2005 13:29:16

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Pawel, 01-28-2005 10:14:01

I have a 706 with a loader on the front and a blower on the back. I also have a Farmall M with a blade on an aftermarket 3-point hitch. Under 6 inches I use the blade. Over I use the loader and/or the Blower. I use the blade going forward. That works the best. In order to blow backwards, chains are a must. If I dont use chains, the machine spins on a drift rather than running it threw.
I have the blade at a 30 degree angle. It likes to try to turn when hitting a drift but I compensate using the brake.

Just my 2 cents.

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Hound

01-28-2005 13:07:08

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Pawel, 01-28-2005 10:14:01

With the amount of time and money you would spend on a decent front blade setup, you could pay for a loader twice over. Plus you could always use the loader for a ton of other stuff. Hound

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old

01-28-2005 11:45:46

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Pawel, 01-28-2005 10:14:01

Allens right a loader works best. There are ways to mount a plow up front with out a loader if your good with a welder etc. Drop me and e-mail and I'll send you a picture of a snow plow I made for my loader. Its a V plow which seems to work real well

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D Currie

01-28-2005 15:04:10

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Re: Snow blade in reply to old, 01-28-2005 11:45:46

I have a loader on my John Deere 510 and would like to also add a blade on the front. I"d love to see the picture of the V blade you made and added to your loader. Thanks.

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old

01-28-2005 20:40:17

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Re: Snow blade in reply to D Currie, 01-28-2005 15:04:10

Just send me an e-mail and I can send you pictures of it

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Allan in NE

01-28-2005 10:21:41

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Pawel, 01-28-2005 10:14:01

Pawel,

Blades just don't do well in snow; front or back. You might consider a loader for your tractor?

Allan

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Pawel

01-29-2005 05:38:30

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Re: Snow blade in reply to Allan in NE, 01-28-2005 10:21:41

Thanks Allan, unfortunately my tractor has one of those "thin" typre row crop axles- I'm not sure if I would like to put one on it or not...

Thanks for responding, Pawel

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