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Turning up a Roosa-Master pump

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JD jim A

01-27-2005 18:42:54




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I've got a IH 856 I want to turn up a little. I know how to do it on a JD 4010 with a Roosa-Master, will the 856 be the same, or was every variation of this pump a little different?




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Paul (ont)

01-27-2005 19:19:01




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 Re: Turning up a Roosa-Master pump in reply to JD jim A, 01-27-2005 18:42:54  
Hi Jim- how did you turn up the pump on your 4010? I've got a 1650 diesel with a roosa master on it that I would like to turn up for pulling matches and such, is it hard to do?

Thanks Paul



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jdemaris

01-27-2005 19:39:37




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 Re: Turning up a Roosa-Master pump in reply to Paul (ont), 01-27-2005 19:19:01  
Haven't seen a 1650 in a few years, but I thought that was a Yanmar powered tractor, not Deere? Does your tractor have the 190 cubic inch Yanmar engine (the whole tractor might be Yanmar, I don't remember)? I know the smaller Yanmars Deere was selling has Yanmar pumps on them - like the 750, 950, 1050, but maybe the 1650 was different? I'm not question your word as much as I am my own memory - but if you've got a Japanese engine with an Amercian built pump on it - I'd like to know. Tell you the truth, when we were selling those Japanese tractors new, we had so few problems with them that I got very little experience working on them. Most of the ones we sold went out the door and we never saw them again. The 1650 was the most fuel efficient tractor ever tested at Nebraska - test #1506 ca. 1983. So, you've got me curious.

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Paul (ont)

01-28-2005 10:02:23




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 Re: Turning up a Roosa-Master pump in reply to jdemaris, 01-27-2005 19:39:37  
Actually jd it's a oliver 1650 diesel- just the other kind green tractor! Its got a 283 ci waukesha diesel with a roosa master pump on it.

Its about 70 horse right now, just a bit bigger than the Yanmar 1650- I actually didn't know there was such a one, but now I'm gonna have to be more specific around JD guys :)

Thanks Paul



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J. Schwiebert

01-29-2005 22:05:24




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 Re: Turning up a Roosa-Master pump in reply to Paul (ont), 01-28-2005 10:02:23  
You want more torque or more horsepower?



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jdemaris

01-27-2005 19:14:58




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 Re: Turning up a Roosa-Master pump in reply to JD jim A, 01-27-2005 18:42:54  
Generally speaking, it depends on the pump model, not the tractor it's on. I don't recall ever working on an IH 856, but I have worked on injection pumps on many tractors, e.g. Simms, CAV, Diesel Kiki, Roosamaster(Stanadyne), American Bosch, etc. Going back maybe to the mid-late 70s, when tractor pulling was not such a big business affair, I used to go to the county fair every year and help out some of the local farmers/customers - by turning up their pumps for them. They'd have fun, pull and make smoke, and when the pulls were over I'd turn the pumps back down back down. Back then the pulling sleds were home-made which I kind of miss. Most of the tractors were John Deeres, ACs, and IHs - but I don't remember which models of IHs. If you've got a RoosaMaster distributor pumps like a DB, or DB2, the only catch to turning it up is if the pump has limiting shims. At one time, the Deere 4010s also had them. When the pumps left the factory, new, there were shims behind the leaf spring (that determines fuel delivery) that would stop you from turning it up very much. Most pumps that get rebuilt (that I've seen or know of), wind up with the shims tossed in the garbage. So, if you reach in the pump with and allen wrench, and the leaf spring screw only turns a 1/4 turn and stops, that's probably why.

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Bob/Ont

01-27-2005 20:48:37




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 Re: Turning up a Roosa-Master pump in reply to jdemaris, 01-27-2005 19:14:58  
JD. Doesn't the RoosaMaster pump have a plate inside that limits the distance the pistons can move apart, to control Max Fuel Delivery?
Later Bob



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jdemaris

01-28-2005 05:34:45




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 Re: Turning up a Roosa-Master pump in reply to Bob/Ont, 01-27-2005 20:48:37  
What you are calling a plate is what I am calling a leaf spring. It IS a spring. The spring has a curve in it, i.e. an arc with an allen screw going through the center of it. The distance between the ends of the spring determine the fuel delivery because it stops the end travel of the fuel plungers. The more you tighten the allen screw, the flatter the springs becomes and thus longer - and thus allowing more travel of the fuel plungers. Once the spring is completely flattened, it CANNOT get any longer, so that's all you will get by turning the screw. As aforementioned, from the factory, there are usually shims behind the spring that limit the amount you can flatten it. When setting up the pump, if you have it apart, Roosamaster provides specifications given in decimal inches for every particular application. This distance provides the proper fuel delivery. So, you energize the fuel plungers so they are forced all the way out and put a micrometer on them and thus get your initial fuel delivery setting. Later, when the pump is assembled, and you have opportunity to put it on a test stand, the fuel delivery can be verified and fine-tuned if necessary. If you don't have a test stand, it pretty easy to ascertain proper operation once the tractor is run and tested - for proper starting, horsepower output, visible smoke, etc.

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