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Magnetic heater placement?

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Miles

01-21-2005 10:32:13

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Should I heat the oil in the oil pan or water in the block?

Which position would provide more benefit?

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buickanddeere

01-22-2005 05:13:09

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Re: Magnetic heater placement? in reply to Miles, 01-21-2005 10:32:13

The magnetic heater is only good for heating aircooled single or two cylinder engines. Or warming the oil enough to pump & flow in a emgine with sump capacity of about 12 quarts. As previously stated, if the engine getting hit directly with winter winds. That wee heater is working in vain. I"ve also burned my fingers a few times reaching under the engine to remove one of them or to feel for heat in the oil pan. Nothing beats a frost plug heater on both sides of a V6/V8 engine. Or a PROPERLY installed 1000-2000W external tank heater.You can put a shut off valve in the line for summer use if you feel the need.

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Alberta Mike

01-21-2005 17:29:43

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Re: Magnetic heater placement? in reply to Miles, 01-21-2005 10:32:13

Depending on the tractor and how easy it is to remove/replace the battery, and how often you are starting up your tractor, there's an old secret that is almost forgotten. Just take the battery out and keep in in the house. The amount of cranking power a battery loses when it gets cold (or very cold) is hard to believe. Keep it inside and if you can install it without too much fuss, you are almost guaranteed a foolproof start. And you aren't adding on to your already high power bill.

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buickanddeere

01-22-2005 05:14:44

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Re: Magnetic heater placement? in reply to Alberta Mike, 01-21-2005 17:29:43

Battery blankets if there is room or a battery heating pad underneath works pretty good too. Tough to find the heating pad style that goes underneath however.

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dr.sportster

01-22-2005 06:08:43

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Re: Magnetic heater placement? in reply to buickanddeere, 01-22-2005 05:14:44

THats what i would like to get[Iam running a six volt]Buick,WHere do they sell these.

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Bob

01-22-2005 11:25:23

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Re: Magnetic heater placement? in reply to dr.sportster, 01-22-2005 06:08:43

Here's a US/Canadian company that makes cold-start equipment. Click on "ZeroStart Product Catalog - US Version, .pdf", and scroll down to pages 65 and 66.

There is company contact information and phone numbers on their site for you to locate a re-seller.

Phillips-Temro

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buickanddeere

01-22-2005 08:15:55

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Re: Magnetic heater placement? in reply to dr.sportster, 01-22-2005 06:08:43

The blankets at at Canadian Tire Stores up here. They must be avalable in the US somewhere as well? Canadian Tire does have internet sales if no other source can be found. I had a blanket on my car's battery and didn't even know the block heater quit working at first. Having to drive a few minutes instead of getting defroster heat right away was what clued me in. The car still cranked like summer wiht a cold engine and warm battery.

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dr.sportster

01-22-2005 11:25:26

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Re: Magnetic heater placement? in reply to buickanddeere, 01-22-2005 08:15:55

Thanks

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farmalljim10

01-21-2005 16:46:41

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Re: Magnetic heater placement? in reply to Miles, 01-21-2005 10:32:13

If you feep the extension cord as short and as big as possible they will do some good if you have a good one and put it on the oil pan bottom..One a mta I had I really noticed the difference that a 12 wire extension cord made.

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nwb

01-21-2005 16:10:03

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Re: Magnetic heater placement? in reply to Miles, 01-21-2005 10:32:13

I like my magnetic heater. I use it on a 2000 Super Dexta with a 3 cylinder diesel. I heat the water jacket. I tried to heat the oil but that takes much longer. I usually heat the water jacket for at least 1 hour. I live in NW Ohio and the temp is currently 15 degrees F. There are many good heaters, but I like the versatility of the magnet. I often use it on my 8N just to make the starting easier. My tractors are kept in a barn so that helps quite a bit. One word of caution, the heater will get hot enough to burn you, so be careful. I respect what the other guys have to say and I don't want to appear contrary, but the magnet heats just as well as the lower radiator hose heater it replaced. I hope you have as good of luck with yours as I have had with mine.

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dr.sportster

01-21-2005 13:25:24

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Re: Magnetic heater placement? in reply to Miles, 01-21-2005 10:32:13

They are better than nothing but they dont heat much.The oil would hold heat longer than water.I had one and thought it was a pain in the neck.I also thought about putting it on a time clock so it came on in the middle of the night to save electricity.Its got to help a little anyway.Now its on a shelf but I should have used it today.Mustache froze at work.

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paul

01-21-2005 11:35:15

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Re: Magnetic heater placement? in reply to Miles, 01-21-2005 10:32:13

Seemed like a good idea, but here in Minnesota I never really got mine to make any noticable effect.

Heat the oil pan, extra heat (as iff there would be any) will rise & heat the rest of the engine as well.

--->Paul

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Nebraska Cowman

01-21-2005 10:44:31

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Re: Magnetic heater placement? in reply to Miles, 01-21-2005 10:32:13

unless you live in the south where it is already warm you will never get enough heat out of a magnetic heater to do much good. They are intended to use on the oil pan as heat rises. But anytime I have used one the oil never got noticably warm.

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Bob

01-21-2005 10:42:23

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Re: Magnetic heater placement? in reply to Miles, 01-21-2005 10:32:13

I don't know what your lowest expected temperatures are, but if they're really BITTER, heating BOTH the oil and coolant is not a bad idea.

Warm coolant makes starting easier because when the cylinders are warm, the fuel will vaporize and burn better, for cleaner, easier starting.

Warm oil makes for less wear and better lubrication upon startup, not to mention faster cranking.

If the tractor is inside, and you plug the heater in overnight, either heater will warm the whole engine up.

If it is outside exposed to wind, there will be less of a complete warming of the engine with just one heater. (This is NOT the same as wind chill on human flesh, but never the less, a strong wind will carry heat away, requiring a bigger heater or both oil and coolant heaters, for reliable starting under those conditions.)

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Miles

01-21-2005 12:04:41

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Re: Magnetic heater placement? in reply to Bob, 01-21-2005 10:42:23

Thanks gentlemen... I am Canada and expect the 200W heater to maybe raise the oil temp a few degrees..but I am sure the old Fordson girls will be thankful.

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RayP(MI)

01-21-2005 17:02:53

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Re: Magnetic heater placement? in reply to Miles, 01-21-2005 12:04:41

If you're in Canada, you'll most likely need far more heat than 200 watts can provide. You need a block heater or tank heater, or lower radiator heater at least. Suggest a minimum of 1000 watts, 1500 would be even better.

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steveormary

01-21-2005 15:43:15

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Re: Magnetic heater placement? in reply to Miles, 01-21-2005 12:04:41

Miles;

An external tank heater or lower radiater hose heater will give much better results then a magnetic heater. I could never tell if a magnetic heater warmed up the oil or not. For the most part I could never feel any warmth in the area of the heater.

steveormary

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