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ART462

01-16-2005 13:21:31




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I live on a gravel road Im the closest to the highway on a 1 mile long private road that the County refuses to take because its not paved(thats another story)Well since I bought my 9n and box blade a few months ago I have been grading in front of my house,well the road is getting really bad past my home.The neighbor who lives at the far end asked me to grade the road about halfway.I told him I would be glad to but needed some gas for my tractor So he went to the store and bought me 10 gallons of gas for my tractor.It took me 4 hours to grade half of the road.I was glad to do it but We have had problems with some of these neighbors pitching in for gravel in the past(11 neighbors)some really seem to take advantage of other good hearted neighbors.So do you think it would be inappropriate for me to ask each neighbor to put up $10.00 each for me to grade the whole road?

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JK-NY

01-16-2005 19:01:08




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to ART462, 01-16-2005 13:21:31  
You have your part of the road in shape and did what your neighbor asked, I'd just do th rest of it for free if I was feeling neighborly, or if you want to be paid I'd hold off till one of the other neighbors approaches you and you can try to get what you think is fair from him/them. If tyhey dont care about their part of the road and want to step up and do their share , I"d say thats their choice and forget it.

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JDknut

01-16-2005 16:43:43




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to ART462, 01-16-2005 13:21:31  
I'd be careful about getting in too deep. Not to cut on your equipment, but that is a lot of work for your relatively small and elderly tractor. Also, maybe the thing is to form an assoication and maybe get it organized as a LLC or other type of corporation with legal standing to help the legal issues with all the neighbors and have this association take on the plowing and grading, either with a contractor or with one of the people on the road who has equipment and time to do it. Otherwise if you take it on and you can't do it then people will get mad at you for no good reason, even tho you were the one with the gumption to step up to the plate.

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PEEDEE

01-16-2005 16:35:29




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to ART462, 01-16-2005 13:21:31  
I share a common driveway with a "bad" neighbor. You don"t know or appreciate you had a "good" neighbor until you get a "bad" one. When I had the "good" neighbor I didn"t even know where the property line was.

The "bad" neighbor parks his travel trailer two inches from the property line at the end where it turns off into his property leaving no room to push snow except on to my property. He always waits until I clear the main driveway even though he has snowclearing equipment.

Since he has his yard jammed with toys he waits until I"m not around and guess where he pushes all his snow?

His property is the same acreage as mine.

I just grin and bear it and shake my head in amazement.

Did I mention I caught him in between my equipment sheds a couple of times scurying out like a rat?

How about when he called the police on me when I shot a few magpies with a shotgun. He told them I was shooting at his house. Good thing it was a reasonable cop and not the swat team that came out or I would still be in jail or worse.

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Willy-N

01-16-2005 16:02:15




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to ART462, 01-16-2005 13:21:31  
$30.00 a hour is a fair price including fuel. You have to figure when your tractor breaks who is going to fix it? Just fuel ain't right unless they are doing something to. If they are out there picking up the big rocks, bring up some gravel in there trucks that would be different. I heard from the neibor boy the reason his dad is not plowing the road out of his place anymore is because Jim has done it a few times. Now he figures why should he Jim can do it? Well Jim got tired of doing it and now the snow is deep and the road is a mess. I have lived on a privet road for 9 years and the same few never help or paid. When I moved I made sure my drive ended on a county road and I take care of it myself. Tractors take more than fuel to run and they wear out. Funny part is some of my neibors have 6,000.00+ snow mobiles and no tractor. They are allways telling me to get one to play on. I quit using my tractor to plow them out because they never lend me there toy and won't spend the money on a tractor like I did. Help those that need it and return something back, and help those that can't help themselves but lazy people will allways use you for what they can! Mark H.

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Nebraska Cowman

01-16-2005 16:00:19




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to ART462, 01-16-2005 13:21:31  
I'd say your best bet would be to just kindly grade the entire road and ask for nothing. What little it costs you will bring more in good will than you could ever charge.



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Davis In SC

01-16-2005 19:23:25




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-16-2005 16:00:19  
I agree.... snow is not an issue here (Hope we get at least one ), but I don't mind doing a small skid-steer or tractor job to help some of the neighbors, as long as they ask in a nice way. They always offer to pay, but I refuse. But I know they will help me if I need it. I do realize that some people expect something for nothing, but at least you have the satisfaction of knowing you did your part. Regards, Davis

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Happy Ending

01-16-2005 17:54:17




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-16-2005 16:00:19  
You & I are of the same belief. Good things happen to people who do good deeds. You don't need money to be compensated for your work.

Steve



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Allan in NE

01-16-2005 17:30:07




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-16-2005 16:00:19  
NC,

You are wasting your talents. I swear, you are the wisest ol' owl I ever heard.

Run for governor!!!!

Allan



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Mike (WA)

01-16-2005 15:52:39




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to ART462, 01-16-2005 13:21:31  
What you need is a road use and maintenance agreement- there probably isn't one in place. If there is, it would spell out how the road is to be maintained, etc. It's pretty difficult to get anyone to sign on after the property is developed and sold, because the selfish ones realize that they can just let the others do it, without compensating them. One of the few benefits of increased governmental interferance is that in my state, at lease, property cannot be subdivided until roads are in, maintenance agreement in place, etc.

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cat- ks

01-16-2005 15:37:57




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to ART462, 01-16-2005 13:21:31  
Well Art welcome to the small town living .It is like I want to live cheap few taxes in a sa mll town and let town council take care of all the roads and snow removal and all I want to do is pay 150. dollars in taxes on my ten and half acres with a big barn and a beautiful house.And let the poor sap down the street do all the work for nothing. So thing have changed in the last 30 years it called screw thay neighbor.And as you can see on the news and any other media the U.S.A. is on a big down hill side.

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paul

01-16-2005 15:42:43




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to cat- ks, 01-16-2005 15:37:57  
My dad grew up in the 30's - and honestly things haven't changed that much. There are good folks, bad folks, and folks who have no clue. Same now as then. Perhaps a bigger support network to keep the clueless clueless is all.

Gave my opinion below, so won't repeat.

--->Paul



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RickL

01-16-2005 14:53:35




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to ART462, 01-16-2005 13:21:31  
I blow out neighbors for years with large snowblower and have to do sometimes 3 mile rd. They pay always or we have exchange deal if I need haying help or other labor it is all worked out before hand. The several widow ladies that I do have known me since baby i don't worry about. Thats just being help for those. They still always want to pay or we have a baked pie dealings. Any new move ins they are on there own of getting stuck in ditch so on own till they learn hard way. No help till pay and sign liabilty sheet period. I even usually have deal with the school bus also.

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kyhayman

01-16-2005 14:33:59




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to ART462, 01-16-2005 13:21:31  
If I need something done, I pay for it. If someone wants me to do something then I charge them a fair price agreed up front. People who do things 'for me' that I didnt ask for get a thank you and (usually) an offer of compensation.

Sending an unsolicited bill, for services that werent ordered or authorized doesnt make many friends, in fact its a good way to make life long enemies. If its a private road or private passageway then who exactly owns it? Lots of variables on that, such as deed requirements, local (and state laws, etc).

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PaMike

01-16-2005 14:39:08




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to kyhayman, 01-16-2005 14:33:59  
I agree with Kyhayman. Make everything clear up front. I got into the "favors" trap with a buddys dad. I helped him put on a roof, so he hauled a tractor home as a favor. Now he called and wants to know if he can HAVE some fodder bales...



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Allan in NE

01-16-2005 13:33:48




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to ART462, 01-16-2005 13:21:31  
Hi Art, Odd you should bring this topic up.

My neighbor across the road likes to get out and play with his tractor and blade on the road. I got a bill in the mail yesterday for $100.

I never asked him or anyone else to do this and don't know what to make of it. Kind of gutsy I thought.

Allan



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Van in AR

01-16-2005 21:40:45




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to Allan in NE, 01-16-2005 13:33:48  
Allen,
Let me get this right, you have three tractors of your own to move snow with and this guy gets on the road first and then has the nuts to send you a bill with out a agreement? He is clueless and I knowing me would have to go over to him and explain that to him.
Van



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David B

01-16-2005 17:55:58




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to Allan in NE, 01-16-2005 13:33:48  
Allan,
He sent it in the mail! That equals no courage. I wouldn"t worry about it.
Plus, you can get around in that sleigh you"ll have to buy to go behind the horses. :)
David



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Butcher

01-16-2005 17:16:48




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to Allan in NE, 01-16-2005 13:33:48  
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Hi Allan.
Give your neighbor one of my bills. Then tell him the next time he comes on your property you will have him arrested for tresspassing.
Just funnin.

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K.B.-826

01-16-2005 14:16:16




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to Allan in NE, 01-16-2005 13:33:48  
Allan, you've got tractors, why not just go out there with a blade and mess around for an hour or so, then send him a bill for $100?



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evielboweviel

01-16-2005 13:44:40




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to Allan in NE, 01-16-2005 13:33:48  
I would ignore the bill. If he presses then ask him who agreed up front for the work and price of the job.
Ron



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ART462

01-16-2005 13:38:48




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to Allan in NE, 01-16-2005 13:33:48  
I wouldnt pull any shenanigans like that!But I really cant do it for free.Gas is just too high.



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paul

01-16-2005 15:32:56




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 Re: what should I charge in reply to ART462, 01-16-2005 13:38:48  
You are openning up a can of worms. Be careful. If you bill & get paid, you do end up with a liability issue when someone crashes - as sad as that is...

Works fine with a couple of 'neighbors' but 11 families with a bit of issue in the past you mention - I'd be careful on this one, too many people, too good a chance for deadbeats & Yuppie lawsuits.

Also, if you sent me a bill after doing the work, I would throw the bill away - $10 or $100. Would not sit well with me, as Allan's point makes...

If you want to do this & get something in return, talk to everyone _first_, not after.

You are kinda setting a precident of doing this job for $20 of gas, so you might now be stuck... Be careful how you go from here.

--->Paul

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