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Solid state voltage regulator for a generator

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markloff

12-30-2004 19:06:16




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Hello,

In my experience the item that usually goes bad in a generator system is the voltage regulator. I was wondering if it would be possible to wire in a solid state voltage regulator from an alternator? It could all be enclosed in the original voltage regulator box for a 100% stock appearing tractor. Often the hardest part of an alternator conversion is mounting the alternator itself. This of coure would eliminate this also. I checked on pricing for a Delco alternator an you can get a voltage regulator for under 10 bucks new. Also other systems have external voltage regulators. Would this work? How can it be done?

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Bob seND

12-31-2004 09:54:32




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 Re: Solid state voltage regulator for a generator in reply to markloff, 12-30-2004 19:06:16  
Mark,
Take a look at this site for the generator controllers:
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Bob seND



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Bus Driver

12-31-2004 03:11:24




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 Re: Solid state voltage regulator for a generator in reply to markloff, 12-30-2004 19:06:16  
The alternator regulator will not work at all with the generator. Hemmings Motor News has couple of places that advertise solid state regulators for the older generators. I don't have an issue of Hemmings on hand. BobM who posts on the Farmall forum knows of some sources also.



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gk

01-01-2005 12:36:21




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 Re: Solid state voltage regulator for a generator in reply to Bus Driver, 12-31-2004 03:11:24  

Generator regulators usually have a winding to control voltage and a winding to control amperage plus the cutout. Alternators have diodes for the cutout, the alternator windings control maximum amps and the regulator controls voltage.



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Gerald J.

12-30-2004 19:28:15




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 Re: Solid state voltage regulator for a generator in reply to markloff, 12-30-2004 19:06:16  
I built one back about 1968 or '69 for a 12 volt generator in a VW Beetle engine that I put in a 6 volt bug. Couldn't change the generators easily because they were different sizes and not mounted on a swing system but cradled in a casting.

I used a big diode for the cutout. My regulator seemed to get me doubled battery life compared to the original VW regulator. I probably could have used the original VW regulator but my circuit worked much better. Today I'd do it differently with power MOSFETs and ICs that didn't exist then.

Its practical to take the voltage sample for the regulator from the battery so the diode drop in the cutout isn't a problem and the current at the voltage sample can be too small to discharge the battery in under several months, or smaller than the self discharge.

Gerald J.

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Bob

12-30-2004 19:16:39




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 Re: Solid state voltage regulator for a generator in reply to markloff, 12-30-2004 19:06:16  
Interesting thought.

In an alternator system, the reguator controls voltage to the rotor, and in a DC generator, the regulator controls field current.

I'd have to think about that for a bit, to figure out how to interface the two systems.

Also, the voltage regulator for a generator contains a cut-out relay that disconnects the battery at shutdown. This can be replaced by a properly rated diode, but there would be a forward voltage drop accross the diode of about .6 Volts.

There is an outfit that makes a solid-state cutout for the antique car market that also funcions as a voltage regulator. Can't think of the name at the moment, but an internet search will easily turn it up.

Email me, if you'd like. I'll actually do a little hands-on research with this after the weekend.

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Gerald J.

12-31-2004 06:47:00




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 Re: Solid state voltage regulator for a generator in reply to Bob, 12-30-2004 19:16:39  
In the alternator, the rotor is the field. In the generator, the field is the stator. Works the same. Except the rectifiers in the alternator also do the cut out function while the rectifier in the generator (the commutator and brushes) doesn't do the cutout function. I found that the diode cutout was far superior to the relay cutout because at 6 volts it didn't take 10 amps reverse current to trip it out.

When I last posted, I forgot that I did a solid state regulator for the turbine generator and the Boone and Scenic Valley Chinese locomotive a couple years ago. That generator was rated to do 50 volts but they used up the world supply of 50 volt quartz lamps and now use 32 volt quartz lamps and my regulator keeps them working far longer than trying to regulate the voltage by steam pressure alone on the turbine.

For 6 volts my MOSFET would have to be logic rated and I might have problems turning it off from my chosen regulator IC.

The relay type voltage regulators were allowed to hold a 12 volt system between 12 and 15 volts, a 6 volt system between 6 and 7.5 volts. The battery is happiest at 14.2 volts or 7.1 volts and gives far better life so the solid state regulator that does that precision is far better for the battery (and the lights).

Gerald J.

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