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caleb

12-29-2004 19:09:14




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I have stumbled across an old JD 730 Diesel Wide front row crop with three point sitting in a shed being neglected and probably hasnt seen life in 20 years. I was so amazed at its condition that I didnt even think to look if it was electric start or pony and if it had hydraulic connections. The farmer has several junk tractors sitting around his property and I am wondering how to ask him to sell this one. Im sure that it had some senimental value at one time but that baby wants a new life! How would you approach someone to try to get them to sell it to you in its current condition? It is only missing the top link of the three point, rims have surface rust and one spot of rust on side of hood. Paint is very faded and tires are shot. You can tell it hasnt moved in all my short life. It seems that a young guy like me (20) asking older men to sell stuff doesn"t work. I have good intentions and will pay cash but I guess they dont trust my generation or they are just jerks. What is the most you would pay for something in that shape? I know it will need to be rebuilt front to back, tires, paint and a field to plow. I"ve learned however that money talks, so I"m willing to give more if I have to but where do I start? $500??? I have no clue. And finally please guess at what I would spend in parts alone to restore it. Thanks a bunch! Stay safe and Happy New Year PS I dont want to buy something in great shape because I want to learn how to build and work on old tractors the hard way, after all they all will eventually break down someday.

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Redd

12-30-2004 19:31:55




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to caleb, 12-29-2004 19:09:14  
Good luck, I've been turned downed by several who are... saving them for junior, going to use them, have offers of $xx,xxx etc. All I've met are jerks. I've know guys who drive around and buy tractors all day for $ 500. But not me. I've even had the dogs turned on me once. I can't count the times I've been wiiling to pay a fair price to an old boy or lady only to have them die and their family sell it for half that to some shyster. If you can't tell I've lost my optimism for finding any more good deals.

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buickanddeere

12-30-2004 09:38:23




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to caleb, 12-29-2004 19:09:14  
Most of those tractors were used until they would move no more under their own power. Or some internal noise couldn't be ignored any longer. A 200lb taper-loc flywheel is $550.00 plus shipping. If some hack hasn't welded the flywheel right to the crank. Sometimes some new grade 8 bolts, hardned washers and tall nuts torqued to 325 ft lbs will work. Some people will never sell anything. They go on for 20+ years believing that old car,engine, boat, tractor etc in their yard. Is going to be their restoration project when so extra cash comes in. Sad to say when the estate is sold. A machine that ran when parked is now a ruined piece of scrap. Others won't sell because they don't know the market price and are afraid of being taken advantage of. Other think because it's green, the price is twice for a stuck tractor of what it cost new.

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Charles Park

12-30-2004 12:47:55




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to buickanddeere, 12-30-2004 09:38:23  
This is the what you need to do. Ask the man if he is interested in a cash offer for the tractor? If he says yes, the next question is the one--How much? Then you decide if you want this tractor. If so, you pay for it and take posession.



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farmerboybill

12-30-2004 05:32:44




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to caleb, 12-29-2004 19:09:14  
Like Allen said, I'd be very careful about snooping around unasked on personal property. Most guys assume (correctly) that a snooper is a potential thief. Good way to get off on the wrong foot.

I wouldn't mention you snooped and wouldn't say anything about the tractor that couldn't be discerned from the road. If you couldn't see it from the road, ask about the item that apparently grabbed your attention in the first place when first meeting him. After this, I wouldn't recommend snooping again.

On how to talk to the guy...
I am working on a 60 I got from a guy I sprayed crops for this past summer. He was standing right there as I unloaded my machine and I noticed an A under the trees. Just making casual conversation, I mentioned I was looking for a two banger to play around with and asked what his plans were for the A. By the end of the conversation, I learned he had another A and a 60 and all were for sale.

Turned out labor was more important to him than the money or the tractors. We set a dollars per hour and a selling price. I gave him my number and it took him 6 months to get back to me on it. Like the others said, don't be pushy.

I'm now working off the 60 and have it half "paid for" and I'm doing what I enjoy - farm work. The best part about it is that I'm working on the tractor in my free time and he has been a very good source of info on it. When he saw what condition it was in as compared to what he remembered, he dropped the price a bit for me without me asking. I eventually want a 730 diesel and an unstyled B to compliment my 60.

Good luck on getting that diesel.

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Allan in NE

12-30-2004 05:02:54




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to caleb, 12-29-2004 19:09:14  
Caleb,

Was there a "For Sale" sign on this tractor?

I think I'd be a little careful about snooping around on someone else's property uninvited.

Allan



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thurlow

12-30-2004 05:28:01




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 05:02:54  
I'm with you Allan; How can anyone..... .."""""I have stumbled across an old JD 730 Diesel Wide front row crop with three point sitting in a shed""""" ""..... ....just stumble across anything in someone else's shed. Around "here" the first question that would be asked is, "What the hell were you doing in my shed"?????



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caleb

12-30-2004 15:20:12




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 Clarification. in reply to thurlow, 12-30-2004 05:28:01  
Well I should have been more clear, I wasn't just "snooping" through this guys shed. I know who he is and I know his relatives but I've never met him. My cousin farms land parallel to his. Last summer I was shredding cotton for my cousin and noticed it from my field, it's in a lean to built against the shed(It is way off the beaten path). Recently I asked the guy that lives there on the land if I could look around and he agreed, so I don't want y'all thinking I just go running into someones barn "looking" for things if you know what I mean, I have respect. If you ever met me you wouldn't have a problem with me, I think... Anyway I know his wife was just recently diagnosed with breast cancer and that's a big reason I would be afraid to approach him, he's got a lot on his heart ya know what I mean. My girlfriend's best friend is his niece. I pray for his wife in my prayers at night and am sincere about keeping him in the loop too. If by chance I do get it I am sure I will need his help answering questions and I would sure offer for him to come drive it once restored. So I hope that clarifies some things for some of you because I don't want you to think I am a heathen of some sort. Thanks for the replies and God Bless. Please don't drink and drive this holiday weekend or ever for that fact! Happy New Year!

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Weirsdale George

12-30-2004 04:44:02




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to caleb, 12-29-2004 19:09:14  
You didn't mention if you knew the farmer. If you don't, find a mutual friend to introduce you.

I'd start out by saying to the farmer that you are looking to restore and work a tractor like his 730 and if he knew any for sale. Asking if he knew any tractors for sale gives him a chance to answer something other than "No". If his tractor has sentimenal value, knowing that you are going to restore it and use it instead of parting it out will be important to him. (If you have pictures of past restorations you have done, that would be a plus.) Your age will be a negative, so you really need to come off as sincere.

If the tractor has sentimental value and you do end up getting it, be sure to keep him in the loop as to how the restoration if going, especially once you get it running. This farmer could turn out to be a great resource for any future tractors you might be looking for.

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Mike M

12-30-2004 04:36:31




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to caleb, 12-29-2004 19:09:14  
Just tell him straight up that you are looking for a tractor to buy so you can learn on and fix it up. If he says no go on to the next one as there are lots of them for sale. You also wanted an estimate for parts to restore a 730D. If you do it right $5000 minimum. Maybe he will sell you one of his other treasures,you would be better off with an A or B 50,60. as these would be better to learn on and parts are cheaper.

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CLW

12-29-2004 20:57:35




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to caleb, 12-29-2004 19:09:14  
caleb, when you get down to trying to buy the tractor the SELLER is the one who should set the price. If you made an offer and it was much lower than what the seller had in mind, and if the tractor did have senimental value, you will never get it. Do you know the seller? Reason I ask is how did you get in to see it in the first place? Be honest with him. If you get it and he is the one that used it, you may let him know that you may have some questions, or need to ask his help on fixing something. Hard to help with a ballpark price without knowing more about it.
CLW

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David B

12-29-2004 20:54:46




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to caleb, 12-29-2004 19:09:14  
I think kyhayman"s way is best. It"s not pushy or sneaky, just honest and to the point. I think buddying up to him may get on his nerves, and could really make him upset when you do ask about the tractor, like you were "using him".

Good luck, you"ll figure out what to do.



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Davis In SC

12-29-2004 19:58:17




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to caleb, 12-29-2004 19:09:14  
My advice (for what it is worth, LOL) is never be too pushy or try to put the seller on the defensive... Remarks such as, "I need it more than you" or Why won't you sell it, you don't need it" usually just turn the owner against the potential buyer. As advice was given before, get to know the owner,he might someday sell it to you for a small price, just to see it in the care of someone that wants to keep it, rather than making a fast buck on it. Regards, Davis

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paul

12-29-2004 21:01:30




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to Davis In SC, 12-29-2004 19:58:17  
Fellow around here collects Ollie stuff - never knew him be4. He stopped in one day, saw my Ollie plows (I'm over a 1/2 mile from the road, but se saw the crank....) and was interested in them. Had a nice conversation with me, about like some of the other people mention. Not pushy, he was just interested, & asked.

I'm keeping them.

However, he got a line on an Ollie swather that he was interested in from me, & traded an 880 for an 1800A with a friend of mine because of talking to me. So, he got some business out of me. We see each other & chat at the auctions. Nice guy. Didn't ever bother me that he asked. Unfortunately for him my rusty un-needed stuff is Case planters & Ford 3pt cultivators, the Ollie 185 digger, front mount cultivator, Super 77, & 2 & 3 bottom trip plows I plan to keep.

Don't be pushy or needy, and everything will be ok. You might get something differet some day out of it, even if you don't get what you were looking for today.

Listen to what & how he says his answer.

--->Paul

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Greywolf

12-30-2004 04:33:35




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to paul, 12-29-2004 21:01:30  
Hey Paul...send him up here. I got a 3-14 that I"d part with. Ollie at that.



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paul

12-30-2004 10:40:04




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to Greywolf, 12-30-2004 04:33:35  
If you mean it, I can arrange it. :) He lives on 29 a couple miles out of New Ulm, retired from 3M. He has a heck of a collection.

Email's there..... Send details.

--->Paul



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paul

12-30-2004 10:41:13




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to paul, 12-30-2004 10:40:04  
Ok, this time email is there, & unhidden too! :)

--->Paul



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Larry806

12-29-2004 19:56:48




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to caleb, 12-29-2004 19:09:14  
I'm not trying to cut you out but I'd give 1750 sight unseen ( if it was close enough) My point is the parts are worth a lot more that that if it turned out not to be worth fixing. Your best bet is to buddy up to him not just for the tractor you may learn a lot from him



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smith-dave

12-29-2004 19:33:41




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to caleb, 12-29-2004 19:09:14  
First start off by making friends with the fellow.Show interest in the tractor and stop by on occasion and talk to the fellow,listen to his stories and show him what kind of person you are. Help him outt around his place, dont rush things money is not everything to some people. You may not end up with the tractor right away but you will gain a lot more (im only 25)and I"ve got a lot of tractors and friends that way.Remember that tractor may have given him the means to support his family and may not be hurting any thing where its at,just takes time sometimes

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kyhayman

12-29-2004 19:22:11




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 Re: How would you do it? in reply to caleb, 12-29-2004 19:09:14  
"Good evening, sir. I noticed you had a 730D out back, wondering what the story of that tractor is"

LISTEN, hear what he says. It may be something that money cant buy. If it isnt...maybe..... .....

"I've been wanting to fix one of these up, make her look good and run better. Would you consider selling her?"

And plan on spending a lot more than $500. I saw one winched on a tow truck Sat before Xmas at a sale brought $2500.

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