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OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's.

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Markss

12-26-2004 09:07:03




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Hey guys,

Planning to purchase a storage building here in Central Ohio to be installed in Spring.

I value your advice and wondering if there are any do's or dont's that you may have learned from your experience. I'm on a budget of $12,000....I'd like at least a 36 ft x 40 ft, but if possible could squeeze a bit more $ to get a 40 x 60.

Some questions:

Do I go with basic/cheaper building that is larger or a smaller better quality building, overhangs, windows, etc?
Morton is out of the question due to price?

I heard of lumber companies that seem to be cheaper than Lester, Morton, Cleary, etc....they install themselves...some names from Ohio are Flaig Lumber and Keim Lumber. Anybody have experience with them?

Any reason why I cant concrete 1/4 - 1/2 now (workshop area) and then leave the rest stone for later concrete work?

How about metal quality, strength and bad ones out there?

Just looking for your advice.

Thanks!

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Cliff Neubauer

12-27-2004 15:10:04




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
We have at least 13 (I may be forgetting one) pole buildings that range from cheap lumber yard buildings to Morton buildings and from what I've seen the lumber yard buildings are holding up at least as good as the Morton's. If you are thinking of adding on the to building when you can afford it then I would built it as wide and tall as you can afford now, even if you had to go 40x40x14' you can add a lean to on each side as well as build onto one end when the time comes. If I was to put up a new wood frame building I think I would start out with at least a 12" concrete wall and then use three 2x6"s sandwiched together with the truss between them for the poles. This way the poles will never rot off and it will be easy to pour a cement floor in later. To attach the siding just place 2x6s horizontally on 24" centers between the vertical post which will also allow cheap batt insulation to be used. I would talk to other farmer's in your area to see what buildings and builders they have been happy with. All of our buildings have sliding doors and I hate every single one of them, when it snows you have to keep them dug out and even on windy days they can be tough to handle.

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J. Schwiebert

12-27-2004 13:27:15




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
This is for down the road, but we put 18 inches of insulation in the ceiling, insulated the walls and put the heat in the floor. You need to think ahead on that and we made one small mistake, but it can be overcome and we would not have done it the way we would now. We are in Ohio and we have an overhead door to the south which is a side and a larger one to the east. The east door is a 22 foot. It was alittle tight with a 20 foot grain head but now use a 25 foot which you put in on a header wagon anyhow, Also as mentioned height can be a problem especially with bin extensions on these combines. A few guys around here are looking at this this way. Build a building about the size you are talking about,later on add on for machinery storage and use the orignal building as a primary shop and quick stoarage durring the harvest or planting season. My next door neighbor build his shop and he said it should have been deeper so he could let his planter and tractor hooked up (folding planter-12 row)

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RustyFarmall

12-27-2004 11:53:40




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
Definately rule out MORTON, not because of the initial price, but because of the inexperienced building crews and the total unwillingness of the company to honor any warranty work which may need to be done. Morton will make all kinds of promises, but once the building is erected, it is yours. period. no service after the sale.



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MortonMan

01-05-2006 18:11:33




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-27-2004 11:53:40  
This post is an absolute joke....Morton has a one page warranty that is one of the only NON-PRORATED warranty in the business. Just like anything else you get what you pay for.



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Mark in Mizzou

12-27-2004 07:45:18




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
Markss, Last summer I had a 30 x 50 x 10 built by Rob Bilt www.rob-bilt.com out of Oklahoma. Colored metal, screwed on for $7,800. It took the crew just 2 days to put up. I'm very pleased with the quailty of materials and workmanship. I've built several barns in the past, but I don't believe I can build one for that price (Not if your time has any value) You might give them a call or e-mail. Good luck to you.
Mark Hill
Dearborn,MO

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Gerald J.

12-27-2004 06:53:38




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
I went through this exercise a year ago. The crew finished exactly a year ago. I looked at many, starting at the Iowa State Fair. More than half the companies didn't respond though I left them a floor plan and specifications with phone number. So I wasn't able to compare steel to wood framed.

I found lumber yards (exept the Menard's kit) were nearly as high as Morton. I found Lester and Champion as high and when I made Cleary meet a good roof load rating their price was on the high side too. The local contractor who assembles Menard's didn't return my phone calls.

I boiled it down to Astro, Wyck, and Northland. I was looking at a 50 x 70 with 14' clearance in the doors. Watch out, practically every salesman quoted 14' eaves instead of 14' CLEAR the first time. Gets a better price but a 13'6" implement or combine won't go in!

Astro made screws and steel framed doors an extra cost option, Wyck included them in the basic quote and Northland had to use diagonal braces a couple feet down the wall posts because they didn't bolt the trusses to the posts, but just nailed them. There prices were all in a $1000 range around $25,000. Steel has gone up drastically since then but you can often get a winter discount. The crew that built mine last winter had diamond tips on the auger so frost wasn't a big problem.

I went with the Wyck. Its construction using screws for the tin and steel frames for the split sliding door seemed as good as any and the cost was very competitive.

Doing it yourself isn't easy because the trusses for 10' spacing are heavy and hard to hand without the right tools like a crane.

I put in the overhead door myself at extra cost.

Gerald J.

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Mike M

12-27-2004 10:05:27




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Gerald J., 12-27-2004 06:53:38  
I just went through this nightmare this year. Get price quotes until you hear back from company X company Y's prices have just jumped what a problem half of them must not need the work as they don't call back,most have people giving quotes who know nothing about buildings. Wish I had unlimited funds it would of made it a whole lot easier. One thing I did on this building is to insulate it with R19 in the walls and R30 in the ceiling and put in a white steel liner panel. So far this seems like a good way to go.

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Mark - IN.

12-27-2004 05:54:52




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
One thing's for sure, for that price, and will actually cost more for materials, you're gonna be putting it up yourself. I've dealt with two bldg material suppliers right out of your area which are about the cheapest, and is more that that, not much, but is. Then figure in sales tax as an Ohio resident.

In my case, I'm not home enough (weekends only) to put up a 40x60, so am having someone else put it up. Cost for labor is cost of materials. $12,000 in materials + $12,000 in labor = $24,000.

As a matter of fact, guys are supposed to be starting on it today. But then again, have been hearing next Monday for weeks now. Was warm a few Mondays ago, top soil is frozen now, and my tractors are setting out and won't start. I sure hope those guys have got an auger, my tractors aint startin nothing right now.

Good luck, Mark.

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Lyle

12-27-2004 05:21:58




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
Build the largest basic building you can afford. They are never too big. Don't spare the fill material to keep building dry from surface run off. You never get a second chance on that factor. Concrete your shop area and a clay fill will get as hard as concrete and will even be sweepable until you can afford to place the rest of concrete. You don't even have to worry about oil leaks and spills in this area. Keep the doors open much of the time the first months to dry the fill out to prevent roof condensation. Frame windows and doors but put them in as you can afford latter. Allow height adjustment for concrete. Good Luck. Let us know what you decided.

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Dean Barker

12-26-2004 22:27:36




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
Be sure to lay fairly heavy plastic down under the floor, whether concrete or rock. This will keep the roof from dripping the condensed moisture all over everything on cool to cold days.



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Ron in AR

12-26-2004 19:55:08




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
Just an idea you might want to look into... We put up a quanset hut style building last Spring from U.S. Buildings in McKees Rocks, PA. It is a great building and this time of year they are running thier year end clearances. We got a 40X60X16 for around $6000. Included shipping to Arkansas. We had another crew do the cement work and erection. Was well worth it. 30 year warranty on the metal. Give them a call and tell them what you're looking for and ask them what kind of a deal they can give you. Let them know you're a bit flexible on the size and you might be surprized what they come up with for you. Couldn't hurt to check it out. Good luck!

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JK-NY

12-26-2004 19:00:37




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
Good advice given below-- esp on door placement-I have doors on gable ends .Put your stone in before you put the building up then you can pour the floor later .Dont skimp on the site prep , get your site level and so it will drain water away. Most pole barn builders around here will want the site work done by the owner before they start.I would go with 1' overhangs , keeps the rain away a little better from the base of the building.

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thejdman01

12-26-2004 18:50:50




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
i know this is way off the pole barn idea but in the way of cheap the ideas i have seen that worked well and w/very minimal cost a local develper near chicago bought a grain elevator and 200 acres and was going to demolish the bins and just take the tin to scrap and bury the cement what was done was the bins were used as halves and pere put upside down as the roof the floor was poured concrete with I____I 5 foot sides to help make the rings sit up higher and give the shed more height and for some beer bolts and the cement along w/a lttle sealer for the joints my neighbor got one heck of a nice shed for very very little cost as the contractor/developer told him if he was willing to take them down go for it as he didnt have to knock them down separate them haul the steel he jsut wanted them gone. he also ended up putting up plastic doors on the ends that let light in and they honestly keep it fairlly cool int he summer warm in the winter. the shed isnt heated but is sitll decnetly warm anything to get out of the wind is a benefit and for the cost of the bolts beer and sealer (now the doors he got a really nice shed for it i think. better then a 1/2 million dollar combine sitting outside and it is plenty tall enough to fit a combine in etc in the center. only downside is it gets less height as it goes towards the wall but you just keep the bailer, tractors disc, etc to the ouside. i dont know if you were looking for a shop or not but if jsut storage its great cheap storage.

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farmalljim10

12-26-2004 14:49:07




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
Get a copy of The Farm And Dairy in your state it is printed in salem ohio lots of adds there.. Yes you can concrete half or less now and more later except if your putting in regular garage doors then put concrete by them... Not too many termites in ohio but its your money not mine....Make it as tall as you can afford you can always store parts above office....



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kyhayman

12-26-2004 14:39:49




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
I like Walters the best of any of the 'kit companies'. With that said, far cheaper to buy the materials and find a barn builder to put it up. I built a hay storage shed last year, pole type, 22'x72'x17' for $6000 with all hired labor (all I did was pick up materials and bring them to the site.) Compared to $19,000 for commerical built out of a kit. For $13000 I can take a week upaid time from work to get materials.

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marlowe

12-26-2004 14:35:53




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
end doors only for winter use seeing your in ohio side doors will be useless because of ice and snow coming off roof



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george md

12-26-2004 18:12:39




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to marlowe, 12-26-2004 14:35:53  

Markss, I agree with Marlowe, end doors only .

Also I didn't see any answer to your question

about overhang ,I built one building with 6"

on the sides and none on the ends , seems that

was the great idea at the time 30plus years ago.

I will never do that again , 6 years ago we built

the overhang for that building(2 ft) and put it up .

Overhang is the best thing you can do for your

doors.

All the other buildings had at least a foot on the

ends and 2 ft on the sides , all block buildings.

george

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Markss

12-26-2004 14:21:46




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 follow up with more info in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
Guys, This building will be for JD storage and also part for a workshop..I do not have the time to do myself, so it will be hired out...I can do wiring and insulation and concrete at points in the future...but not framing...or roofing.
Would like to buy a building from a company that does this...not a custom built unit from poles, etc.


THanks for the info..



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linc

12-26-2004 20:17:14




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 Re: follow up with more info in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 14:21:46  
Try calling Ridgeview lumber in Somerset( That's about 1 hour SE of Columbus). They are owned by a Mennonite family named Miller. They seem to have a pretty competitive price and will come build it. My sister just had one built for just a little more money than I had putting up one myself. The phone number should be (740) 743-XXXX. Good luck.



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I Bleed Green

12-26-2004 12:55:18




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  

This is my 2 cents. Make the doors as high and wind as you can. If your going to have a door at the end. Dont put it in the center, put it to one side of the end wall. If your barn is 36 feet wide and you have a 16 foot wide door, and if you have it in the center, you will have 10 feet on each side of the doorway. If you put it to one side you will have 20 feet of room out of the doorway.



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Midwest redneck

12-26-2004 12:48:48




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
There are a few things you did not mention, Are you using this for tractor storage and workshop, what kind of heat will you need? (woodstove maybe?) I see on TV advertisements for General Buildings I dont know how the quality is. My own experience is as follows: I built a 22 X 50 garage with a 8' ceiling, all 2X4 stick build, with trusses, no loft, all concrete, 16' X 7' door one man door and 4 windows attached to my house. it cost me $21,000 give or take and that is with half the work shop finished, the workshop is 10 X 22. What I should have done is built a standard 24X 24 attached garage and then built a separate building 20X 40 for tractors and workshop.

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Bill in Colo

12-26-2004 20:16:55




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-26-2004 12:48:48  
Before calling the General, call the Colo Attorney General's office.



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Midwest redneck

12-27-2004 03:16:09




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Bill in Colo, 12-26-2004 20:16:55  
I see their advetisements on the TV. Whats wrong with them? Do they screw their customers? do the buildings have inferior steel?



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Bill in Colo

12-27-2004 08:22:47




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Midwest redneck, 12-27-2004 03:16:09  
misleading advertising, failure to deliver, they are only a sales outfit no manufacturing. Co attorney general has several suits pending against them. Was party to a converation between a regional rep for a major building manufacture and local contactor. the rep's office is local. they were putting together order for a replacement for building that wasn't delivered. customer stuck for 14,000



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cootbruce

12-26-2004 11:24:35




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
I am not a carpenter, but I did build my own 30x42 building, a manards kit. I built it in about 2 weeks, long days but it can be done. I poured my floors inside the building once it was up. Pour them in three sections, center section first, then the two side sections. They turned out great. Did all my own wiring too. Now I am insulating, doing it all in stages over about three years. I have about $10,000 total into the project. If you can do it all at once do it that way. My problem was money, more time than money so I did it in stages, the problem with this method is....you fill your shop up with "stuff" then when you have the money to do the next step, you have to move all that stuff. I am insulating my walls now. I move everything from one side to the other, insulate and move it back....better to do it all at once, BEFORE moving into it....

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Mark

12-26-2004 10:45:37




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
These fellows have handed out some good advice. If I had it all to do over.....21 years down the line, I would have poured a footer and laid up at least 3 courses of block and THEN built my pole building on this foundation. WHY? For one thing, it keeps whatever siding material you use, up off the ground away from dampness, getting banged into by machinery, lawnmower, etc. It also discourages termite infestation..... oh you"ll use treated poles...okay, they won"t eat the poles but travel up them to reach everything else....I speak from experience. My building is 28x40 and unless you have great big machines to work on, etc., it has proven ideal.....remember you"ll want to heat it in winter and maybe even cool it in summer. I studded, insulated and sheetrocked mine and the comfort level is no comparison to a damp old tin shed..yep, it is air conditioned too.....feels good when it"s 97F and 92% humidity in July...I"m cool as a cucumber and happily working away instead of batting flies and wiping sweat out of my eyes.

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MeAnthony

12-26-2004 10:32:35




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
I think I'd shoot for a larger basic building and do floor-level mods myself at a later date. You can add your own doors, windows, etc. fairly easily yourself down the road and save the labor cost. For expamle, standard size, off-the-shelf windows can be bought pretty reasonably at the local lumber yard, especially if you catch them at an annual pre-inventory type sale. Papers like the Salesman, Tip-Off Shopping Guide and Thrifty Nickel (local freebie papers) usually have a classified section, and sometimes building packages show up that have been ordered but can't be paid for. If you have a local company like Morton's, they may have something like that as well, or maybe old-stock, discontinued, scratch-and-dent type stuff. If you don't have a specific size that you're required to have, and have some time to bargain-shop, you could find a pretty good deal. Good luck.

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John M

12-26-2004 10:13:58




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
Cant speak for your area,but here,the wood pole barns are ridiculously over priced.Ex:My all metal building is 30 by 40,three sections,middle is the largest.One side section I compltely closed in and left the other smaller section open like the middle.Concrete on closed in side floor,full electrical with lights and outlets,110/240 and workbench on the back.Front roll up door with entry on the side.I have maybe 5000 in it.The same wooden building was going to be 23000.Thas doing it myself.All I did on my metal building was put up the overhead and entry door,and did the electrical myself.

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thurlow

12-26-2004 09:50:34




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to Markss, 12-26-2004 09:07:03  
Markss; Like a lot of topics batted around on here, kinda hard to give detailed advice because there are so many unknowns..... ..your skill level, materials that are locally available, equipment you have available, time you have to devote to project, etc. I put up 4 (and provided major help on a 5th) somewhat similar buildings within the last 8-10 years. Smallest was 24 x 40; largest was 56 x 78. Used utility poles (used) for which I had a good (and cheap) source. Squared them with a saw mill and sawed most of my framing lumber. If I hadn't had my own mill, I could have bought rough lumber from local commercial sawmill for much less than I would pay at lumber shed. Out of pocket costs were hardware/nails, roofing material (metal in my case) and concrete. Not all had a concrete floor. Also bought a Paslode framing nailer, which was one of the best investments I ever made. Didn't have anything approaching your budget in any of these buildings. All except one were built for hay/machinery storage and cattle barns. The smallest was my brother's (24 x 40) 2-story heated (tho not cooled) workshop with game room overhead. He only had $8 or 10000 in it. I charged nothing to labor/design/engineering (since there were no out-of-pocket costs)..... ..well, maybe a few dollars for fuel/maintenance of equipment. If you have a source of timber/logs, you can pay for an inexpensive sawmill on this one project. Don't know if this will give you any ideas of what's possible..... .....

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ol George

12-26-2004 11:43:58




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to thurlow, 12-26-2004 09:50:34  
Lots of good advice, all I can add is park everything like you want it, measure this area and add 20' to each end and it will still be full quicker than you thought possible.



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learned hard way

12-26-2004 20:27:09




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 Re: OT: Tips/ideas for pole barn, do's/dont's. in reply to ol George, 12-26-2004 11:43:58  
Whatever you do .... DO NOT HAVE DURABILT OF GREENVILLE! Cost me lawyers fees to get them there to build and finish. Over one year when it was promised to be done and in use in 6-8 weeks.



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