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Diesel additive - yes or no?

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Sean Bennett

12-20-2004 07:52:52




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Should I put diesel additive in my diesel for the winter? Does it make any difference?




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Hugh MacKay

12-20-2004 21:26:19




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 Re: Diesel additive - yes or no? in reply to Sean Bennett, 12-20-2004 07:52:52  
Sean: There is absolutely no reason to put anything in your fuel except Methyl Hydrate. Your fuel supplier makes a good product. Any material he adds to prevent gelling will only evaporate. That has to be added at time of fueling. Also if the diesel is parked for a week or more you will need to put more in as what was there will have evaporated. Methyl Hydrate will cost you a fraction of the so-called fuel conditioners, and they are about 98% alcohol anyhow.

In fact if you go to the drug store, methyl hydrate can be bought for about $3.00 per gallon. Some druggests are a bit reluctant to sell this in volume other than than to hospitals. You may have to convince them, your diesel needs a backrub.

This is the only product I ever used, and probably logged 80,000 hours on diesels, in a cold climate. I never had to rebuild a diesel under 10,000 hours, and I put 1/2 million miles on a 6.2 Chevy with one pump and injectors replacment at about 350,000 miles.

Most of those products on auto parts store shelves are designed to do little more than lighten your wallet.

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John R.-IL

12-20-2004 16:57:42




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 Re: Diesel additive - yes or no? in reply to Sean Bennett, 12-20-2004 07:52:52  
Power Service in every tank 52 weeks a year. No gelling, starting, stalling, injector, or pump troubles for over 15 years. I run it in everything, trucks, tractors, skid steers excavators, dozer, ect. Would not run anything without an additive. Sure has saved me a lot of money and headaches. But then again what do I know, I am only a dumb old ditch digger.



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T_Bone

12-20-2004 16:56:20




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 Re: Diesel additive - yes or no? in reply to Sean Bennett, 12-20-2004 07:52:52  
Hi Sean,

If you've ever had to thaw out a gelled diesel, you will use a additive or #1D fuel when the temps start to hit 20º.

I trust no one to protect my fuel on my F350. I always treat my own fuel when I expect to be in cold climates.

As the other guys said, Power Service, Howles or Stanadyne are good addivives.

T_Bone



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Kevin (FL)

12-20-2004 13:32:39




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 Re: Diesel additive - yes or no? in reply to Sean Bennett, 12-20-2004 07:52:52  
Sean,

You didn't say car, truck or tractor so I'll chime in from experience with the 6.5T truck diesels with the stanadyne pump. If there's any water in your fuel and you use the wrong fuel additives, the injection pump will be damaged. Can't say the same thing will happen for any of the newer tractor engines, but I would be careful about using additives with unknown character. GM does approve certain additives but others can be bad news for the pump. Check with your engine manufacturer for guidance on what additives are approved. Keep your tanks full, filters drained of water and the cold weather additives used by the bulk suppliers should do the job.

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Sean Bennett

12-20-2004 13:39:06




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 Re: Diesel additive - yes or no? in reply to Kevin (FL), 12-20-2004 13:32:39  
I'm sorry. I was referring to my old tractor. I have a Ford 4500, 3cyl. diesel. Thanks for the advice.



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lucass

12-20-2004 11:33:39




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 Re: Diesel additive - yes or no? in reply to Sean Bennett, 12-20-2004 07:52:52  
anti gel will definately help in cold temps,so will a block heater. on our county fleet of about 100 school buses most of em were starting in 0 temps because of the block heaters butt were stalling out on the road due to the wind chill.i started putting a 5 gallon pail of anti gel in the 8000 gal tanks when we got filled ,problem was solved.sorry i dont remember the brand but dont get that stuff on your skin.. lucass

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paul

12-20-2004 10:47:55




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 Re: Diesel additive - yes or no? in reply to Sean Bennett, 12-20-2004 07:52:52  
Below 20 degrees you will have problems running on straight #2 fuel. It will gell up, not want to pass through the fuel filter. Some tractors are more sensitive to this, others not much at all. For example, one tractor I have with the fuel tank over the engine that I plug in for cold weather starts has the fuel filter right above the tank heater. With all the heat hitting the filter & the fuel tank, it works fine on #2, really wouldn't need an additive....

If you buy fuel in cold weather, your fuel might be a mix of #1 & #2. This will work at a colder - unknown - temp.

You can buy straight #1. This will work better in cold weather, but costs more, has less power, less lubrication, and is harder on the engine (runs hotter) if you keep it until summer & burn it in warm weather. It is closer to kerosene.

If you don't know what fuel you have & the temp is to get near 20 or below, use an additive the prevents gelling, _and_ you need to get it in the tank and run the engine a while before it gets that cold! You need the #1 or the additive already curculated through the filters & pump & all _before_ the cold hits.

It also is a big help to replace the fuel filter before winter season, allow as much flow as you can through the filter.

I use Power Service with #2 diesel (sometimes a little #1 added) here in Minnesota, seems to work. It's what is sold here, don't know if others are better or worse.

--->Paul

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JT

12-20-2004 08:45:15




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 Re: Diesel additive - yes or no? in reply to Sean Bennett, 12-20-2004 07:52:52  
We have used Power Serve for years, always blended at tooo high mixture for what bottle says and have never(knock on wood) had one gel up.



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kyhayman

12-20-2004 08:26:14




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 Re: Diesel additive - yes or no? in reply to Sean Bennett, 12-20-2004 07:52:52  
I use Power Service brand sometimes from Sam's House of Value (Walmart) sometimes from the parts house. Forget last week that it was going down under 20 and she wouldnt start (ooops). Its in there now and she started this a.m. at 2 degrees (wasnt plugged in either time).



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RayP(MI)

12-20-2004 08:21:42




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 Re: Diesel additive - yes or no? in reply to Sean Bennett, 12-20-2004 07:52:52  
Depends on where you're at, and the fuel you're using. Typically in colder climates, the supplier will blend the diesel to temperature requirements. However if you're still using your stock of fuel from the summer/fall, you may have problems. Usually, mixing a little (you guess at the ratio!) kerosene with the diesel will work. Otherwise, there are commercial additives that claim to help out the gelling/flaking, whatever you call it, problem.

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john in la

12-20-2004 09:44:55




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 Re: Diesel additive - yes or no? in reply to RayP(MI), 12-20-2004 08:21:42  
This works great for say a truck where you buy and burn fuel in a short time and in a local area.

I say this because the major diesel supplier I work for pre blends fuel so it will pump out the tank not really considering the user. If it is 0 today we blend it one way but if it is 20 tomorrow we blend it another. It sells so fast we do not have to worry about temp changes like the user does.

In other words if you buy fuel for your tractor today while it is 20 it may still gel up at 0 three weeks from now.
We blend #1 diesel into the #2 tank based on the temp expected the next 2 nights. If we know a cold front is comming we may cheet a little just in case so it does not gel.
We also blend a different percentage if our tanks are above or below ground. Sorry to say it we are only worried about it pumping at the pump.

All this info is taken from our company wide winter letter as I never have to worry about blending in my area.

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jlove

12-20-2004 08:08:01




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 Re: Diesel additive - yes or no? in reply to Sean Bennett, 12-20-2004 07:52:52  
should have - at least a pint by now



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Sean Bennett

12-20-2004 08:09:49




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 Re: Diesel additive - yes or no? in reply to jlove, 12-20-2004 08:08:01  
Any special brand I should look for or can I just get the stuff from Walmart?



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thejdman01

12-20-2004 11:04:21




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 Re: Diesel additive - yes or no? in reply to Sean Bennett, 12-20-2004 08:09:49  
either powerservice or howes is best to use they provide anti gelling properties w/o sacrificing lubricity to the pump or motor



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Mark - IN.

12-20-2004 17:31:22




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 Re: Diesel additive - yes or no? in reply to thejdman01, 12-20-2004 11:04:21  
I agree on PS and Howe, both excellent. Hadn't added to the tractor because has been unseasonably warm, and just forgot. Yesterday was 2 or 4 degrees out, and was like mud going through the injectors, wouldn't pop off and took it's toll on battery quick. Have been running in my trucks for about a month because at highway speeds, pretty cool.

I'm out of it now, but once used some stuff I got at a Amoco on the tollroad in like a small white 12 oz. bottle that cut through a gel up instantly. Was cruising at about 60 MPH and dropped off to about 35 MPH at best. I pulled in and picked some up, and cut right through it. I still see it on the tollroad and need to get more to have around for emergencies - was like de-natured alcohol with a fancy name that I forgot.

Mark.

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