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Phil from Maryl

12-18-2004 17:51:48




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I have an IH 404 that I would like to put tire chains on so I can use it and a blade to push snow. The problem is I know nothing about tire chains. What types are available and how do I buy the right ones? How much do they typically cost and is there a place online to purchase them from?

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Phil




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WI Craig

12-20-2004 15:12:52




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 Re: Tire chain questions? in reply to Phil from Maryland, 12-18-2004 17:51:48  
I've used regular cross chains for years here in northern Wis. Worked alright for me. I let the air out of the tires when I put them on, getem tight, put air back in. Some of the chains were looser so as not to just sit between the lugs. Cost here used, $75 to $150 for good. Good luck.



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Hugh MacKay

12-21-2004 04:31:13




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 Re: Tire chain questions? in reply to WI Craig, 12-20-2004 15:12:52  
Craig: You make a good point, used chain will last the ordinary homeowner just wanting to plow his driveway, probably 50 years. I had a set of ring chains for my Farmall 130. I was nervous of breaking something plus I didn't like what they were doing to my concrete floor in shop. I sold the ring chains for $350. Went down the road to a local construction company bought 4 chains from them for $20. These had been grader chains. They even loaned me their tool for changing cross chains. I fixed the two best ones, and completely dismantled other two. That was 15 years ago, and I still have two 5 gallon pails of spare cross chains, 30' of side chain and assorted hooks.

The grader had been breaking these quite regularly. Since I made these up I've only broken two cross chains. That old Champion grader with 250 hp Cummins had a lot more torque than my Farmall 130. If you can get used truck chains they make a good source. These guys will sell them for scrap price. $1,000. chaims are fine if your tractor is pulling in dollars.

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Roger White

12-27-2004 18:47:57




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 Re: Tire chain questions? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-21-2004 04:31:13  
Hi gentlemen: I'm sure glad to come across this page of info about tractor chains,I need all the help I can get, but about going after a mouse with a cannon, I would & Snakes Too!!! HA!! Take care & Thank You for the information.



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Dave 2N

12-19-2004 07:33:40




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 Re: Tire chain questions? in reply to Phil from Maryland, 12-18-2004 17:51:48  
I think it depends on a lot of things. Do you have rear tires with a lot of tread? If you do, regular cross chains will get down between the bars and you don't get the full advantage of the chains. I use cross chains on my Ford 2N and it has nearly new Firestone Field and Roads on the rear. I put the chains on, tighten them good just once, and then as they loosen up a little bit, about every third cross chain will lay up over a tread bar and this seems to be enough.
However, having said that, my next set will be double rings; we always used those on the farm and they will do the job no matter what the conditions. If you do much road driving, the double rings are definitely not ideal.
With all due respect to Hugh's post below: I don't know where in Maryland you live but I've spent a couple of nights in motels in Maryland when I had to get off the road because of weather. And I do imagine that you will have frozen ground at times.

Contact tirechains.com and look over there selection.
But-that's my $.02 and I'm trying to be helpful. As I said, for my situation here on the NY/PA border, where I use the Ford for a little bit of snow clean up and then for getting up to my woods, I'll definitely go with double rings when I get a new set.

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Hugh MacKay

12-19-2004 16:15:58




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 Re: Tire chain questions? in reply to Dave 2N, 12-19-2004 07:33:40  
Dave: What I should have said was continuous hard frost all winter. I'm thinking of conditions here in Canada where you can get 4 to 5 feet of frost in ground, and your driveway, lawn, etc. stays hard as ashpalt all winter.

Even here in SW Ontario these guys wait for frost to plow on. You try that in the Maritimes and you will not get plow in ground. I've seen conditions where Cat D-7 or D-8 wouldn't break the frost, even with a ripper. I saw a D-7 slide sideways close to 500' on a hayfield. Frost was so hard tracks just wouldn't penetrate. When it started going it was just like skates. I doubt if Phil sees too much of that kind of frost in Maryland. I just don't believe you have to go after a mouse with a cannon.

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Dave 2n

12-20-2004 10:58:05




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 Re: Tire chain questions? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-19-2004 16:15:58  
Hugh-
I understand what you are saying; we cna get over 3 feet of frost right here on the NY/PA border. I based by reply on the ring chains we used on the Farmall M and the Massey Harris 44 on the farm. Those chains would take a full load of maure anywhere. I guess all of our replies are flavored by our experiences. When I was a little kid, I used to go with my Dad when he went into the woods to supervise logging crews. One time down in PA, things were frozen up good and Dad told one of the skinners not to use the regular logging road. The ignored Dad and took a wild ride down the side of a steep hill. No injuries but it made a believer out of the skinner.

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Hugh MacKay

12-19-2004 05:32:08




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 Re: Tire chain questions? in reply to Phil from Maryland, 12-18-2004 17:51:48  
Phil: Just looking at your Maryland address, my recomendation would be go with regular cross chains. You are not going to have ice and hard frozen ground being a factor.

I have used them all from big skidder ring corked chains, double ring, ice chains and regular cross chains. The secret to regular cross chains is not keeping them too tight. Tighten them so you can nicely put your arm between cross chain and tire just where it leaves the ground. This way the chain set actually counter rotates on tire as you travel. This will keep the cross chains clean and out of tire treads. Only one good reason for keeping regular cross chains tight, that being speeds of 10 mph or more.

I have plowed snow with everything from my Farmall SA to a Champion road grader. On both those I used regular cross chains, quick to put on and take off as you are not spending time tightening. If you want to go down the highway in high gear you just take chains off and hang them on behind.

The other types must be kept tight as the corks, spikes, etc. will damage tires if not tight. I have used these on John Deere forestry skidders, Farmalls 130, 300, 560 and 656. They give excellent traction, but are also very capable of breaking things. The only time I ever broke a final drive on 130 was using ice chains. Also twisted an axle on Farmall 300 using corked ring chains. European tractor manufacturers from the 50s, 60s and 70s would not even stand behind warrenty on drive train if they found you had been using ring and ice chains.

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Carl S. (NH)

12-18-2004 21:18:39




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 Re: Tire chain questions? in reply to Phil from Maryland, 12-18-2004 17:51:48  
I would recommend the double ring chains myself. I have had them on my 8N for years and years. I leave them on year round and only recently had to replace some cross links, which I bought from the previously mentioned tirechain.com. As for adjusters I use solid rubber bungee cords to keep the chains snugged to the tires. I think you can do pretty well with tirechain.com. Go for the double ring chains - they work well on ice and in snow, and don't fall in between the treads.
Carl S. in NH

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MarkB_MI

12-18-2004 18:31:50




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 Re: Tire chain questions? in reply to Phil from Maryland, 12-18-2004 17:51:48  
Tirechains.com has a good online tire chain store. They sell three types of tractor chains. I recommend that you get either the "Duo-Grip" or "double ring" style chains; they are a little more expensive than the standard ladder style chains, but they won't slip between the tire lugs.

I've dealt with them over the phone and found them to be very knowledgeable and helpful.

I see that they also sell adjusters, now. They're probably worth the cost if they save some aggravation; I don't have the adjusters myself so I can't say how well they work.

One more comment: Although the name of the business is "Tirechains.com" (plural), the actual URL is "www.tirechain.com" (singular).

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Rod (NH)

12-18-2004 18:20:37




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 Re: Tire chain questions? in reply to Phil from Maryland, 12-18-2004 17:51:48  
Hi Phil,

Here's a place you can check out the styles and sizes available and get an idea of prices. I have some that are very much like the Duo-Grip on my Oliver (16.9x26 tires). They are not that good on ice. If I had to do it over again, I would get the V-Bar Duo-Grip instead. I have a set on V-Bar style chains on my plow truck and they seem to work pretty well, even on ice. The best would be large studded skidder chains if you have tires large enough to handle them - but those things are well over $1000! I don't care much for the regular ladder style chains for standard tractor treads. They tend to get into the tread grooves and their effectiveness is diminished. They would be a good choice on turf tires though. If you buy them on line, be prepared for some high shipping costs. The things are heavy in the large tractor sizes.

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