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Opinions-Avg hours before overhaul?

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CEB

12-15-2004 12:50:09




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Just wanted to get some other opinions. What would be a ballpark average number of hours that one could could expect to get out of a diesel tractor engine before needing an overhaul? Assuming average maintenance. I know I have heard of tractors with over 10,000 hours on the original sleeves and pistons and still going strong, but this is not average. All opinions appreciated.




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J. Schwiebert

12-17-2004 03:41:33




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 Re: Opinions-Avg hours before overhaul? in reply to CEB, 12-15-2004 12:50:09  
How many of you do an oil analysis test at least once a year. It is very good method of letting you know what is wearing on the inside of the engine? How offten to check the cooling system PH level?



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Depends

12-16-2004 13:04:17




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 Re: Opinions-Avg hours before overhaul? in reply to CEB, 12-15-2004 12:50:09  
Depends on whose motor you are talking about. Olivers are know to knock a hole in the block if wrist pins are not redone at 3000hours.



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Nebraska Cowman

12-15-2004 16:01:00




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 Re: Opinions-Avg hours before overhaul? in reply to CEB, 12-15-2004 12:50:09  
One thing I think kills tractors is starting them every day in the winter to plow snow or spread manure fo 20 minutes.



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paul

12-15-2004 15:57:35




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 Re: Opinions-Avg hours before overhaul? in reply to CEB, 12-15-2004 12:50:09  
5000.

Some few go at 3000, and others last 10,000 like you say, but I figure about 5000 if it isn't showing signs, it will in the next 1000.....

--->Paul



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kyhayman

12-15-2004 13:26:01




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 Re: Opinions-Avg hours before overhaul? in reply to CEB, 12-15-2004 12:50:09  
A lot of what I have observed is related to specific tractors and specific uses. Properly run and with regular oil changes I rarely see a diesel tractor with under 8000-10,000 hours in the shop for an OH. Typically the ones with less that I observe are those using synthetics to stretch drain intervals (with bottom ends badly worn), air intake leaks or poor air cleaner service (tops worn), or run without oil (a big mess top and bottom).

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Indydirtfarmer

12-15-2004 13:59:04




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 Re: Opinions-Avg hours before overhaul? in reply to kyhayman, 12-15-2004 13:26:01  
The determining factor is how a particular tractor is used.

There's a huge difference between 5000 hours of cutting, raking and baling hay, and 5000 hours pulling a deep ripper.

Then there's a big difference in todays tractors vs. ones made, say, in the 1950's. Todays modern diesels just hold up better.

I have an old 4020 that spent its first 10 years plowing, discing, and pulling a 2 row silage chopper. It needed rebuilding at 4000 hours. It now has over 11000 and is running like new.

My 4440 has around 7000 hours of pulling a notill planter and drill, along with some hay work. I had the pan pulled last year, and the bottom end is as tight as the day it was built new. It still dyno's at the same HP it did new. Obviously, no need for an overhaul.

Then there's dads old Massey Ferguson 50 I have now. When the first tach broke, it was showing over 9000 hours. I put a new tach on it years ago. It has over 5000 MORE hours. The little Continental gas engine is still plugging along fine. All it ever did was cut hay, pull a rake, and run augers. (Maybe some bush hogging along the way)

Point is...There is no "magic number" when an engine is ready to be overhauled....John

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NP

12-15-2004 16:51:09




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 Re: Opinions-Avg hours before overhaul? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 12-15-2004 13:59:04  
In agreement with your post, I have heard (and tend to believe) that the total number of gallons of fuel burned is the most accurate measure of how worn a particular engine will be.



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Indydirtfarmer

12-15-2004 17:10:54




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 Re: Opinions-Avg hours before overhaul? in reply to NP, 12-15-2004 16:51:09  
I've never heard that...! It makes perfect sense though. Thanks for the input. John



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J. Schwiebert

12-16-2004 18:12:40




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 Re: Opinions-Avg hours before overhaul? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 12-15-2004 17:10:54  
A certain major engine manufacture came out with that basic stement 20 plus years ago and they used it to determine if you had an oil consumption problem. Also another thing oil on consumption. We had a consutant one time who was good and also made this statement, All diesel will burn oil. A lot of them make some of that up with incomplete combustion from not burning 100% of the fuel injected into the engine, especially light load condition durring short periods of operation. There is a good size Cooper engine not too far from here and if it burns a couple hundred gallon of oil a week it is no big deal. The last I knew a one cylinder overhaul for that engine is close to $100,000.00 It is a V-16 full ported two stroke.

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kyhayman

12-15-2004 17:28:42




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 Re: Opinions-Avg hours before overhaul? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 12-15-2004 17:10:54  
A lot of truth to that. Most of the ones I get to o.h. arent worn out by being 'used up' they have suffered a mechanical or maint failure. Usually the ones that are 'used up' that I see have a lot of top in wear from too much heat. Almost always they either have had the pumps turned up or show signs of being run too hot.



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matterhan

12-15-2004 13:09:03




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 Re: Opinions-Avg hours before overhaul? in reply to CEB, 12-15-2004 12:50:09  
Well on my farm we have three MF 1100 tractors all with over 20,000 hours one is approaching 30,000 but the tachs are broke now so the numbers are not exact. The engines have never been apart. They are the perkind 6.354. They are not the most powerful motor but tough as nails.



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Allan in NE

12-15-2004 13:05:08




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 Re: Opinions-Avg hours before overhaul? in reply to CEB, 12-15-2004 12:50:09  
CEB,

Crankshaft bearings need to be looked at and probably replaced at 5,000 hours. The rest of 'er will more than likely make that 10,000 hour mark fairly easily, if it is well maintained.

The crank is where the load shows up on an engine and more so on a diesel, because of their higher torque and lugging ability.

If you are using the tractor in tractor pulls, I'd check 'em at 10 to 15 minute intervals. :>)

Allan

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valkerry

12-16-2004 07:41:20




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 Re: Opinions-Avg hours before overhaul? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-15-2004 13:05:08  
what work is actually done in an "overhaul?



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thurlow

12-16-2004 08:40:18




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 Re: Opinions-Avg hours before overhaul? in reply to valkerry, 12-16-2004 07:41:20  
Personally don't think that's an "answerable" question (as in, one size fits all); depends on what machine, where you are and who you're talking to. Somewhat like asking, "How long is a string?"



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