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Farmall H gasoline additive

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Ernest Bilson

12-11-2004 08:09:04




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I have a Farmall H (about a 1947) and I was using a lead additive in the gasoline. I had quite a bit of trouble with "junk" clogging the carb, separator, and fuel line. Finally pulled tank, carb, fuel lines, everything out and cleaned it. Now am afraid to put lead additive back in for fear it will cause a problem again. Is it OK to run this old tractor without any lead additive on today's unleaded gasoline?

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Hugh MacKay

12-12-2004 04:32:11




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 Re: Farmall H gasoline additive in reply to Ernest Bilson, 12-11-2004 08:09:04  
Ernest: Your first 4 or 5 responces were reasonable, save your money and the agony of cleaning out the crap. That whole idea of wear in valves was only a concern in high speed engines turning 2500 rpm or higher. I've run 3 old gas Farmalls since unleaded gas was introduced. From experience, I can tell you, your engine will require a rebuild as a result of piston, ring and sleeve wear long before valves give a problem. I owned a Farmall 300, (dont have it any more but is still going) it is on it's 6th set of pistons and sleeves. Three of those rebuilds done since unleaded gas became a reality, valve wear was not a big issue at anytime. Save your money, the H will do just fine.

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sammy the RED

12-12-2004 06:42:04




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 Re: Farmall H gasoline additive in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-12-2004 04:32:11  
Most tractors only ever get overhauled 2 or 3 times in their life.
That 300 is getting less than 8 years per overhaul.
Is it used for regular farming or is it used for some really dirty work ?
Had a neighbor with a 1946 H that he bought new.
When he sold it around 1981, it still had the same pistons and sleeves that came with it from the factory.
Just curious. ;o]



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Hugh MacKay

12-12-2004 09:11:45




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 Re: Farmall H gasoline additive in reply to sammy the RED, 12-12-2004 06:42:04  
Sammy: What I've discovered since coming to YT is most tractors didn't get used very much. My dad bought that 300 new in 1955 and for about 10 years it never saw less than 1,000 hours per year. I expect that tractor has 25,000 hours on it by now. I don't think 6 sets of pistons and sleeves are too bad for that kind of hours.

It became a second tractor with the purchase of a 560D then 3rd with a 656D, 4th with a new 1066. There is a guy down the road from me restoring his dad's 300 bought new in 1955 to cash crop 500 acres along with 1 smaller tractor. Some of these tractors did get used a lot more than others. There was a good reason for some of the 1950s and 60s gassers not to have seen a lot of use. The diesels that followed were much more fuel efficient. It quite frankly surprises me to see 56 and 66 series diesels around with as little as 5,000 to 10,000 hours on them. Someone obviously had little to do with them. Probably part of the reason North American farmer were always crying hard up. You will always make more profit when underpowered than overpowered.

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Leland

12-11-2004 21:37:42




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 Re: Farmall H gasoline additive in reply to Ernest Bilson, 12-11-2004 08:09:04  
Add a cup of non dert motor oil this will lube valves just fine or marvwl mystery oil will do good job also. you need something if you still have soft valve seats.



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TDK

12-11-2004 20:09:05




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 Re: Farmall H gasoline additive in reply to Ernest Bilson, 12-11-2004 08:09:04  
I tend to think you would be better off without it. Put some in a JD 430 and have had nothing but trouble since. Probably will have to clean tank,carb, etc.



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John *.?-!.* cub owner

12-11-2004 13:38:13




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 Re: Farmall H gasoline additive in reply to Ernest Bilson, 12-11-2004 08:09:04  
The lead was to raise the octane level and revent detonation, not lubricte valves. Modern regular no lead gasoline is higher octane than was available in the 40s. You don't need the lead.



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Bob

12-11-2004 18:58:13




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 Re: Farmall H gasoline additive in reply to John *.?-!.* cub owner, 12-11-2004 13:38:13  
John,

A side-effect of the lead, used to raise octane, WAS reduced valve seat wear.



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sammy the RED

12-11-2004 12:30:52




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 Re: Farmall H gasoline additive in reply to Ernest Bilson, 12-11-2004 08:09:04  
Back when tractors were still young, all the gas was mostly lead free.



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RJ-AZ

12-11-2004 12:36:13




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 Re: Farmall H gasoline additive in reply to sammy the RED, 12-11-2004 12:30:52  
When I was a kid (50's) we had a seperate tank for White gas for the tractors, DC Case and Farmall H.



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paul

12-11-2004 09:40:03




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 Re: Farmall H gasoline additive in reply to Ernest Bilson, 12-11-2004 08:09:04  
In the past a lot of folks supported the additives, but the tide has turned!

Dad & I farmed with 4-5 gas tractors, never did any additives since '74, and still have most of them. They were the main tractors, lots of work on them.

Perhaps the valve seats will wear a tiny bit faster, but the additives over time cost way more than a valve job, and since they aren't lead, are closer to snake oil.....

--->Paul

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old

12-11-2004 09:15:14




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 Re: Farmall H gasoline additive in reply to Ernest Bilson, 12-11-2004 08:09:04  
Stop wasting your money that H will work just fine with out the laed additive.



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RustyFarmall

12-11-2004 08:25:06




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 Re: Farmall H gasoline additive in reply to Ernest Bilson, 12-11-2004 08:09:04  
The old girl will run just fine on straight unleaded pump gas. Your money was wasted on the lead additive, you didn't need it.



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