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Jim Ward

12-09-2004 13:31:16




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I have been trying to tell everyone here about a bad apple who stuck me big time but somehow all my messages get pulled He sells lots of tractors on this site and he is quite good at it..See he is in Canada so its pretty hard to get to him...And you have to wire him the money ,he will arange shipping ,at twice the normal price and then you have to wait 4 months to finally get your tractor your ( Good running tractor) but mine had a blowen head gasket ..... ..... Run a search at this site on whoever you buy from and see what comes up...

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Alberta Mike

12-10-2004 09:22:54




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Jim Ward, 12-09-2004 13:31:16  
Here's a nice Christmas idea for both you and your friend Vern. Maybe both of you make a nice contribution to the YT volunteer subscription website here (if you haven't already done so) and make at least Kim's Christmas a bit brighter. Then the two of you can fight it out away from the discussion board here. I don't feel very good that you think you've been hosed but one thing is for sure, it probably won't happen again. I think a lot of the posts below have given out some pretty sound advice. Have a good Christmas and chalk it up to experience.

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Rauville

12-10-2004 05:22:35




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Jim Ward, 12-09-2004 13:31:16  
I've bought used tractors over the years from private parties, implement dealers, and auction sales. Even by inspecting the tractors myself, and talking to the sellers, I still get disappointed when things aren't right. We all expect perfection, but "perfect" isn't possible on old, well used mechanical devices, that have probably gone well beyond their designed lifespan.
If I was thinking about a tractor that was 2000 miles away in Canada, I would do more than just wire the money. I believe I would locate a full line implement dealer in the area that could send a mechanic out to do an inspection, and forward a report. (I think your tractor was only 30 some miles from Winnipeg...where I'm sure there are some good shops that would have been willing to help.)
Anyway...better luck next time.

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Hugh MacKay

12-10-2004 15:22:26




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Rauville, 12-10-2004 05:22:35  
Rauville: You make a good point, just to add to that, I have in the past asked a couple of regulars here at YT to check items out for me. It was a very reliable source.



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Nolan

12-10-2004 04:18:11




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Jim Ward, 12-09-2004 13:31:16  
Ever notice how people are offended by a rape victim? They tend to look at the woman funny for the rest of her life. People vilify the victim, and laud the perpetrator. This board is no different.



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Joe MN

12-10-2004 15:41:33




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Nolan, 12-10-2004 04:18:11  
You comment is the most stupid I have seen or heard in many days. If you have a wife, mother, sister or daughter just run it by them in the context of this tractor discussion. Crimes against a person,such as rape,are by definition outside of the victims control. Your fellow knucklehead who whines about his bad deal called the seller,negotiated a deal,and wired the money.He gave up control of the transaction when he wired the payment. His whining after the fact is useless. If you want control of the transaction use an escrow or an agent in Canada. Don't waste time and reputations caterwauling after the fact.

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paul

12-10-2004 09:25:39




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Nolan, 12-10-2004 04:18:11  
More like, if you leave the keys in your car, & $50 sitting on the front seat, and the doors unlocked....

Well, what do you expect? No one should steal the money & the car. That's wrong.

But, what do you expect?

--->Paul



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Mike (WA)

12-10-2004 08:25:22




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Nolan, 12-10-2004 04:18:11  
I disagree- I think we are still trying to figure out who the "victim" is in this case. In case you missed the previous two (pulled) rants, we all know who the seller is, he has sold hundreds of tractors on this board, and had many defenders on the earlier posts. I'm thinking, by the timetable Jim mentioned, that the seller was trying to get him a good deal on shipping by getting the tractor on a partially loaded shipment for a discount (I once got a tractor hauled from Missouri to Washington for 500 bucks- it took 7 months, rather than 4, and I was thrilled with the whole deal.) About that time, the price of diesel nearly doubled, buyer was undoubtedly calling seller about daily by that time, and seller ended up shipping the tractor at a much higher price than he had anticipated. As Kyhayman said, head gaskets can go at anytime, so I wouldn't hold that against him. I continue to see seller's ads, they sound good, and one day I might make a road trip to Manitoba to see what he's got. Darned sure won't buy sight unseen, though, from him or anyone else.

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Paul in Mich

12-10-2004 07:00:30




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Nolan, 12-10-2004 04:18:11  
Gosh, was he raped too?



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jim ward

12-09-2004 20:22:48




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Jim Ward, 12-09-2004 13:31:16  
Did I step on someones toes? Why I must have found a whole lot of tractor Jockeys out there ... Kick backs on shipping..... lies and half truths at least I use a real name not like a lot of phonies ....Some people can not take the time or the money to travel 2000 miles to check out a tractor so glad you can..He may be a friend of yours but you will be judged by the company you keep and how did everyone know who he was anyhow ...3 years is nothing ,, He is at least 40 years old what did he do before sell used cars????? ????? ?

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kyhayman

12-10-2004 06:33:27




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to jim ward, 12-09-2004 20:22:48  
That's why your local 'equipment jockey's' tractor cost more than the one from Canada. I import and resell all the time. If I sell to someone local, or semi local I expect to have to do some warranty work. That means I have to build in some extra profit. After all, I am in business to make money not provide a tractor delivery service. A 2000 mile haul would have cost you $4000 plus a 20% comission on the purchase if you sent me to buy for you. If you buy it off the lot that plus cost of the warranty (or the repairs, yes I've had head gaskets blow starting them on the trailer, in fact had an injector pump fail on the trailer this week coming off the farm where I bought it)is built into the price.

I've also gone to Canada and bought tractors for people. A 2000 mile haul would have cost you $4000 plus a 20% comission on the purchase if you sent me to buy for you. If you buy it off the lot that plus cost of the warranty (or the repairs, yes I've had head gaskets blow starting them on the trailer, in fact had an injector pump fail on the trailer this week coming off the farm where I bought it)is built into the price.

Basic economics dictates that risk brings rewards but also RISK of loss.

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Tim...OK

12-10-2004 04:23:15




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to jim ward, 12-09-2004 20:22:48  
Just how rare of a tractor is this that you had to buy it sight unseen 2000 miles away?? If it was worth shipping at all,you should have went and looked at it,or found one closer to home..go buy you a $50 head gasket,spend 2 hours changing it and enjoy your tractor..

Tim



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John M

12-10-2004 01:34:47




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to jim ward, 12-09-2004 20:22:48  
Im not taking sides,just curious.What did he say when you called to complain about it?Seems you should be raising He*& with him instaed of the folks on here who have gotten sick of your rants!



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paul

12-09-2004 22:12:03




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to jim ward, 12-09-2004 20:22:48  
I guess the point is, there are a lot of people like that. There are more good people in the world, but still there are a lot of people like that.

What do we do about it?

You have sounded very angry in all your messages. You we have hope for, and are trying to help..... The crooks in the world are what they are, what can we do? Fill all the discussion groups with names of people we don't like & hatred towards them???? What does that accomplish?

A lot of messages like yours have been left up - if they are written calmly & factually, not with spite & hate.

You are filled with those right now - it comes through loud & clear.

Try to continue to be a good person. Don't join the dark side.

Yea, it bites for a while. But we all learn. The other person was dishonest. You expected too much. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Most likely closer to you, but you are not 100% right either - if 95 or 99%. Do you understand that?

Now, where do we go from here? You are calling all the people who replied to you names.

Is that really the picture you want to paint of yourself???

Are you being a better person than the one who ripped you off?

Frankly, I'd rather do business with a known crook than with a sour name-caller. The crook will be more fun to talk to, and I know how to watch my back..... Think on that.....

Now, do you want to go forward from here, & make things better?

That is what people are trying to steer you towards. A better frame of mind, a better place. Calling them names - well, you will have to live with that.

Perhaps some of us are pretty clumbsy with words, & have not said what we want to say very well. I know I am aweful with typed words..... I'm sorry for that, and if I offended you, my appologies.

I don't have anything more to offer than that. I'm not sure what you are looking for here.

--->Paul

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MI

12-10-2004 17:59:29




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to paul, 12-09-2004 22:12:03  
Paul

I think that Jim has been called more names than he has called anybody on this site. And for the rest of the people that keep telling him to quit whining and posting it on this site....Why dont they just go to another subject to read instead of adding negative comments to already escalated situation. It seems that most of the comments here are trying to make Jim out to be the evil one here instead of the guy who tells people that he is selling them a great running tractor and then when it gets unloaded it wont even start because its a wore out old hag.....

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Davis In SC

12-09-2004 21:58:35




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to jim ward, 12-09-2004 20:22:48  
Jim , I am half-way across the country & never bought a tractor here..... But, it seems like shipping would eat up any savings you might get buying a tractor way off. No sides taken here, but if it is worth shipping , it is worth going to look at.....In buying any kind of machinery, you win some, & lose some.. Buying & selling industrial equipment, we have made 10X what we gave, but we also have had to pay to get things hauled off. You just have to win over 50% of the time. If I had the money I have "Lost", I would retire today. Not trying to be hard on you, but get over it & go on with your life.. Regards, Davis

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Mark - IN.

12-09-2004 21:41:38




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to jim ward, 12-09-2004 20:22:48  
Jim, what kind of tractor are we talking here? I remember something the other day or night about air bubbles in the radiator. That's usually a good sign got a problem with a head gasket, or head. Overheating too? I don't remember. Head gasket certainly is cheaper and gotta pull the head anyway to get to the gasket, so let's pull the head.

Many a tractor's been re-sleeved right out in the field with the plow still in the ground because that's where she broke, and that's where she got fixed so that could finish plowing.

A head gasket aint all that bad. So, what kind of tractor are we talking here so we can get her fixed and going again.

Mark Krzyzanowski of Bristol, IN., but you're welcome to call me "Mark - IN.", because all of the other don't fit when posting.

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Paul in Mich

12-10-2004 06:54:50




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Mark - IN., 12-09-2004 21:41:38  
Geesh, Mark, with a last name like that you should be somewhere close to Hamtramck Mich, or at the very least be coaching Basketball for some university in North carolina. Just kiddin ya. I agree with you that a head gasket is an cheap and easy fix for a tractor bought 2000 miles away and paying minimum of $1.00 per loaded mile to have it delivered. I paid $1000 for a tractor 700 miles away, and by the time I rented a hauler, paid for gas, motel for 2 nights, restaurant bills, and loss of a days work, I had over $1000 in hauling costs by going and getting the tractor myself. Many people do not reasonably consider the cost of transportation, which makes buying locally much more appealing unless it is a rare tractor that attracts a distant buyer to go that far from home. What is it about the words "Old Iron" that is hard for some folks to understand.

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Mark - IN.

12-10-2004 21:27:56




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Paul in Mich, 12-10-2004 06:54:50  
Yep, I kind've inherited the darn thing. Dad came over off of the boat, married my Mom, and she suggested that while they were getting married, could have the name legally changed at that time for no extra cost. He almost didn't marry her for that. I would've really had to been the milkman's kid then. As it was, was just the milk lady's kid, because my Mom still maintains I couldn't have been hers. LOL.

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jim ward

12-11-2004 12:30:24




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Mark - IN., 12-10-2004 21:27:56  
Mark yours is one of the few followups I will answer my tractor is a 560 farmall diesel head weighing about 180 lbs. Gasket set costing 100.00 or more ..But the head is shot also..I have it split already and am picking up a used gas engine for it on monday .. I know what to do and I am not wineing I just got by a lieer and a thief and do not want anyone else to get taken by Vern Otto or any other one like him...I also live in Indiana southern Greene county..

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Davis In SC

12-09-2004 22:07:40




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Mark - IN., 12-09-2004 21:41:38  
Amen, Mark..... ... A customer had a crisis this week, broken part, almost $8,000.00 and a wait of a week.... A little creative thinking, & I had them going the next morning, & made $250.00. Head gasket would not take any longer than whining would ..... .in fact, probably less... Regards, Davis



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Davis In SC

12-09-2004 22:11:31




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Davis In SC, 12-09-2004 22:07:40  
By the way, I was kind.... I could have gotten a thousand or more. But I like repeat business, It pays lots more over many years....



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Mark - IN.

12-09-2004 19:44:41




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 Blown head gasket? in reply to Jim Ward, 12-09-2004 13:31:16  
I caught one of your posts the other day or night, apparently this is your second or third post.

Some advice if I may? You have the tractor, it's yours. Has a blown head gasket? OK, I don't know what type or model of tractor, but a head gasket isn't the end of the world. Try posting at it's specific manufacturer site, and someone oughta be able to help you through it. Are much worse or harder things to replace than a head gasket, and someone else did say was a 50 year-old tractor.

Might turn out to be the best tractor in the world.

Mark.

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Michigan

12-09-2004 19:41:07




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Jim Ward, 12-09-2004 13:31:16  
I got burned by the same guy Jim and I have seen posts since then about others that have been burned as well. I learned a very valuable lesson from him though and I will not trust anybody selling old Iron ever again. Its too bad that somebody like him has to ruin it for all of the honest people that are on this site.



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Hugh MacKay

12-09-2004 17:45:01




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Jim Ward, 12-09-2004 13:31:16  
jim: anyone buying 50 year old tractors, sight unseen, must be prepared to loose the money put out, just as a lesson in life. I find even when you look them over well, you will still find yourself spending unexpected money. One thing I find about tractors, you can't buy very far from home, cost of looking it over plus shipping, drive these tractors out of the market.

My brother and two of his buddies drove from Nova Scotia to Nebraska to look at some Dodge cars. To me that trip was a looser before it got off the ground. However they could drive the cars home. While there he was offered a Farmall Super MD for $1,000. Looked like a good deal, until you look at cost of shipping.

You might try wording you threads a bit different, Canada does not have a patent on SCOUNDRELS. I rather doubt that the per capita of these is much different across North America.

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Ray

12-10-2004 11:38:17




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-09-2004 17:45:01  
A local jocky was caught here in ohio with $90000 dollars worth of stolen tractors from
canada. They claimed they didn't know they
were stolen,but were turning a 100% profit on several they sold over the years.



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Davis In SC

12-09-2004 17:38:07




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Jim Ward, 12-09-2004 13:31:16  
Not taking sides on this one, sounds like a lot of misunderstandings..... I have never met you or the seller ( Probably Never will). It appears you are extremely upset over this transaction. I am in business, & would be very concerned if someone was posting such negative things about me & my business. In fact, I would hope the person could back up the things he was posting.By the Way, I have turned down business from people that I felt I would not be able to please. As we go through life, we all have our share of disappointments. Rather than dwell on them, I have learned to move on. Dwelling on things will burn you out from the inside. If this is the worst thing that ever happens to you, you are a lucky man !!!!! Just out of curiosity, What Make/Model tractor was it? Regards,Davis

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HTR

12-09-2004 20:08:38




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Davis In SC, 12-09-2004 17:38:07  
I saw a sign in bar once. All our customers make us happy, some when they come and some when they leave.



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Redmud

12-09-2004 17:29:04




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Jim Ward, 12-09-2004 13:31:16  
I would kinda like to know, how much you paid for this tractor that you didn't look at? I have a 52 H farmall thats in nice shape and almosts runs that I might be talked out of.
Redmud



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thurlow

12-09-2004 18:30:05




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Redmud, 12-09-2004 17:29:04  
"almost runs", huh? Are you the fellow whose wife was almost pregnant once upon a time? grin.....



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Paul in Mich

12-09-2004 16:48:15




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Jim Ward, 12-09-2004 13:31:16  
Without knowing the entire circumstance, perhaps I should keep my nose in my own business, but you seem intent on getting your point across in spite of the fact that your post has been wacked more than once, so it becomes obvious you are soliciting reaction. First of all, The person you refer to as being shady has been selling tractors here for as long as I have been comming to this site, and that is nearly 3 years. If he were the shister you claim him to be, I would imagine others would have spoken up with great frequency, but the fact is that you are the first one to my knowledge who has had a problem. In my opinion, this does not so much make him a crook as it makes you a disgruntled buyer. Without seeing the add, I will only guess that he did not represent the trqctor you bought as being in perfect condition, or that it ran good to great. Most folks would not send money for a used tractor and wait until it arrived to find out how well it ran. Any buyer with the expectations you have would have made the trip to look over the tractor before shelling out the money for the tractor in addition to shipping costs. Shipping costs are a separate issue and most of the time not under the control of the seller, but by the hauler. It would seem to me and I"m sure to others that it does not justify your negative comments by blaming stupidity on someone else. I do know that there are some fine tractors comming from Canada, but be that as it may, I would take the time to make the trip to inspect the merchandise, and I bet the seller would have been glad to allow you to do just that. Remember, the school of hard knocks still charges tuition.

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Nebraska Cowman

12-09-2004 16:37:30




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Jim Ward, 12-09-2004 13:31:16  
Just seems to me there might be two sides to this story.



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Mark - IN.

12-09-2004 19:29:38




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 12-09-2004 16:37:30  
Yeah, I'm kind've thinking the same thing myself.



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paul

12-09-2004 16:02:59




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Jim Ward, 12-09-2004 13:31:16  
I saw it. I understand your frustration.

But then, didn't you look at the machine before you paid for it? Seems quite a stretch of trust for you not to - kind of setting yourself up to be had, aren't you?

No excuses for the guy that took you, but still & all, you need to protect yourself a little better than that. We live in a world of crooks, you gotta be prepared.

--->Paul



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kyhayman

12-09-2004 18:13:50




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to paul, 12-09-2004 16:02:59  
Once again paul, I find myself agreeing with you. I've traded everything from hay to cattle to equipment all over North America, Canada, Japan. South Korea, South America, and Europe. Never had a problem 'long distance' or real short haul, now those 3 hours away are another story.

If its questionable escrow and shipping agents are in business for a reason.



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We heard you

12-09-2004 14:27:52




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to Jim Ward, 12-09-2004 13:31:16  
We heard you the first two times Give it up.



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RustyFarmall

12-09-2004 14:39:44




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 Re: My message about be careful who you buy from g in reply to We heard you, 12-09-2004 14:27:52  
Yep, and next time you get ready to buy a tractor, go and look at it first.



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