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engine problem....help?!

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cootbruce

12-07-2004 08:28:32




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I removed the engine from my bobcat (M600 Wisconsin VF4 engine) to install a new clutch. thinking I would be safe (and not sorry) I marked and removed the distributor to avoid breaking it when removing the engine. I reinstalled engine, retimed the distributor, now engine surges at idle and "hunts" under load...so retimed engine, changed plugs, rebuilt carb, ran good for a while ( but still not as it did prior to engine removal) shut machine off for two hour, returned and find it now surgeing at idle again. Also, voltage gauge is NOT showing a charge when running ( as it used to) My plan at this time is to replace fuel filter, rotor, rotor cap, points and condenser,plug wires and try it again.

Question: since my voltage meter is not showing a charge, could low voltage cause the engine to surge?? Any other ideas are welcome

Thanks

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MarkB_MI

12-08-2004 03:23:50




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 Re: engine problem....help?! in reply to cootbruce, 12-07-2004 08:28:32  
I agree with Mark (aka txblu): You've probably got some crud in the fuel system.

My experience is that surging is usually due to a plugged idle circuit passage in the carburetor. The engine can't idle, so the governor tries to compensate by opening and closing the throttle. Locate the idle passages and run a fine wire through them.

If your battery has enough juice to crank, it has enough to generate a spark.

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txblu

12-07-2004 09:58:58




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 Re: engine problem....help?! in reply to cootbruce, 12-07-2004 08:28:32  
Only know what you tell us so here goes.

Moving the engine about could have dislodged some crud in the fuel system, say like crud at the bottom of the carb bowl got into some meterng jets. (You rebuilt the carb, but did you really rebuild it; i.e. clean out all the teenie weenie ports?).

Surging is inadequate governor control. You are over and under supplying your engine with the needed elements to run it. You could have damaged your governor linkage when removing especially on Tecumseh engines (my experience)...or if internal (like the Tec.) you may have gotten some sludge or other crud in the gov. bearings/balls. Remember the governor is rpm sensitive. What did you do that would affect the ability of your carburetor to be controlled as a function of rpm's..... .speed up, gov shuts down air supply via carb throat butterfly..... converse the converse.....sloppy linkage (incorrectly adjusted...length) means sloppy response of fuel/air to engine requirements.

Not showing a charge means that you broke a wire in handling, or pulled a lug off a terminal, or shorted out a terminal in your charging system. May have accidentally sparked the VR and welded some contacts.

Voltage and engine surge are 2 different ckts. Only connection could be via ignition supply voltage bouncing up and down and that's not possible as the battery has control (larger energy source) and voltage output not that much different at low and high rpm's as compared to engine off voltage value (0).

HTH

Mark

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