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Jake In Colorad

12-06-2004 19:05:54




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One day in math class, a few buddy's and I were discussing homebrew generators. For those who arent familiar with the term, it is basically a term for generators that are built at home. This is one of the plans we were talking about.

Get a 12 volt battery, 12 volt motor, 12 volt alternator, and a 12 volt to 110 volt inverter. Make a platform of sorts to set the equipment on. Make a spot for the battery to sit at. At another part of the base, put the alternator and motor next to each other, so that the motor and the alternator can be belted together,"connecting the two pulleys using a belt". Now, wire it up, first, wire the alternator to the battery, then wire a line from the battery to the motor. The motor will turn the alternator, the alternator will provide fresh juice to the battery, and thus the generating process will continue non stop. Now, wire in the inverter, with leads from the battery to the inverter. Now you can have free, continous 110 volt power. Good Idea. If I can, ill post a diaghram.

Soon in show class, im going to build a driving generator. Im getting an old John Deere riding mower, fixing it up, taking the deck off, then rigging a pulley system to either a self induction motor, or a generator head, and I turn the mowers pulley on, it will turn the belt, turn the head, and provide power, and I can gnerator power and drive the mower at the same time. Now, Ill I have to figure out is what can I generate power for while driving the "mowernator" at the same time

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it works

12-08-2004 19:08:57




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
from the looks of this site the perpetuall motion machine is working. we will never stop replying



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JD_IHC

12-07-2004 21:41:54




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
Is Mr. Rogers your math teacher?



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JHesler

12-07-2004 20:36:37




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
I think you guys better spend more time in class and less time wherever you came up with this cockamamie scheme. Pay particular attention to "conservation of energy" and things like entropy. Apologies to whoever might have already posted a similar reply, I didn't bother to read them.



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Mike (WA)

12-08-2004 18:08:35




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to JHesler, 12-07-2004 20:36:37  
On behalf of those who wish to politicize a scientific concept, and thereby blame a vast conspiracy for its failure (rather than simple physics), I would thank you not to complicate the analysis by bringing up tiresome concepts like entropy and the laws of thermodynamics. Everyone knows its "big oil" that is the root of the problem. If they weren't out there buying everyone off, we could do all sorts of strange and wonderful things, science be damned.

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upred

12-07-2004 20:19:31




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
check out this site www.ucsofa.com/FreeElec. from what I understand this guy has been around for several years.



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NC Wayne

12-07-2004 20:19:04




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
I think T-Bone summed it up nicely, and with numbers, so I won't say anymore about that. I do know a guy that owns a generator sales and repair shop that had a man come in one day wanting a generator he could run with an electric motor. The guys idea was to plug the motor in an outlet with supplying power from the local power company and let it turn the generator thus making him some "free power". Bill told him that it wouldn't work, and the guy got mad and left..... I guess nowdays it's just not "politically correct" to tell somebody their idea, that has been tried a million times before, won't work. It would be a shame to hurt their feelings..... Just my .02

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Eldon (WA)

12-07-2004 19:13:48




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
Why not just add a little water..... I bought a tractor from an old guy that used to work at the Grand Coulee Dam. When I picked up the tractor, he was working on his "power supply". He had built a dam on his property and was using it as a power source to drive an alternator, charging batteries and then converting to AC to supply one outlet in his house.....he used it mainly to power a heater in the winter.

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Redmud

12-07-2004 19:17:16




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Mike (WA), 12-07-2004 18:13:29  
Mike, Yes I reckon your right. don't know what I was thankin. but then sometimes good people like yourself miss the point. not saying you did now. but even good conservatives miss the point from time to time, it does happen.
Redmud



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Farmall jim 10

12-07-2004 16:24:08




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
I myself wanted to build one like this also but I wanted to also put it on a go cart frame but you see I was 7 years old at the time and My father ( when I asked him about it ) Said It wont work and then sat me down to tell me why He loved my Ideas he really never made fun of me at all He would just say that would be nice but what about friction ,,Perpetual motion would be great but it wont happen.. But keep trying because I havent given up on all of my ideas either ..And now Im 55...

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I. N. Vent

12-07-2004 14:40:24




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
I invented a perpetual motion machine. It would have worked too,but,i could'nt get it started. So I went back to selling my solar powered flashlights.



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billyiron

12-07-2004 14:33:43




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
If it would generate power like it generated responses,,, it would be pretty neat ---billy



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m't'guy

12-07-2004 13:26:07




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
here is a good one that will work if a good mech engieer gets it take the heat of the exhaust manifold of a vechicle and operate an absorbshon refrigeration system same as a gas refrig or like in a zillion campers advantage the hotter the engine the more cooling available endless potential i started to work on it but just ran out of years was an h.v.a.c tech all my life i.e [72 years] go for it guys and make a mill germans are working on it now remember a refrigeration system is a heat transfer system doesn;t create anything just moves her around to where you want it heat or cool

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buickanddeere

12-08-2004 08:18:01




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to m't'guy, 12-07-2004 13:26:07  
You mean adding a Rankine Cycle engine onto a Brayton cycle engine to increase efficiency?
It's done all the time when they add some boilers and a steam turbine onto the exhaust port of a gas turbine generator set.



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Mike (WA)

12-07-2004 18:05:54




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to m't'guy, 12-07-2004 13:26:07  
Posts like the previous give me a cold chill- how many ideas that might have revolutionized the world have been forever lost, just because the person couldn't express himself well enough to be taken seriously by the scientific community? The importance of a "well rounded" education cannot be overemphasized.



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thurlow

12-07-2004 18:29:31




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Mike (WA), 12-07-2004 18:05:54  
'bout 30 years ago, someone gave my mother-in-law a toy; it was a bird which perched/balanced on the side of a glass which you filled with water. You gave him a push to dip his beak in the water. He would continue to rock up and down (by himself) as long as he could reach the water. Magic???



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buickanddeere

12-08-2004 08:22:59




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to thurlow, 12-07-2004 18:29:31  
It's absorbing heat from the fluid inside it's water wetted snout to evaporate the water. And the internal moving fluid and vapour alternate from end to end tipping the "dikky" bird.



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Vern-MI

12-07-2004 11:14:27




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
Reminds me of Stanley and Oliver and their pill which was supposed to turn water into gasoline.



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Richard Fazio

12-07-2004 09:56:35




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
What your proposing is called perpetual motion. It doesn't work! You can make a gas powered one though. I have a similar setup. I use it to charge my dead batteries when they are out in the field. Works very well. Gets the tractors running in a few minutes. Here's a site you mite like. email me and I can send you tons of sites on alternate energy.



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Redmud

12-07-2004 07:44:38




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
Jake, Don't let anyone discourage you. All good accomplishments started with a dream. There wouldn't be any good dependable tractors if not for a dream, there would only be John Deere. Don't ever stop dreaming.
Redmud:



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thurlow

12-07-2004 08:54:19




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Redmud, 12-07-2004 07:44:38  
Right on!!!!! Fellow named Jethro Bodine came up with a usable electric car in the '70s; only reason it didn't go into production was the problems he had with his extension cord.



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Mike (WA)

12-07-2004 17:57:56




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to thurlow, 12-07-2004 08:54:19  
Someone once said, "I could lift the world with levers, if only I could find a place to stand."



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Rick Kr

12-07-2004 07:26:43




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
Jake,
After math class, travel over to your physics class. "Energy cannot be created or destroyed" pretty much sums up your theory. Or in other words "nothing in life is free" T-Bones reply says it with data to back it up. Don't feel alone, I thought the same thing you did a long while ago. After thinking through it in detail, I realized there is no way it will work.

To your "genar-mower" example that may work, but it is not free energy, the gas to the engine negates that.

Anyway good luck, everyone thought Henry Ford couldn't make cheap cars. Plus tinkering around is the true way you learn if something will work or not.

Rick

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gspig

12-07-2004 08:49:38




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Rick Kr, 12-07-2004 07:26:43  
The gen-mower is real. I think Husky is selling a riding lawn mower with a 110v inverter.



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Jake in Colorado

12-07-2004 15:54:53




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to gspig, 12-07-2004 08:49:38  
Yeah that was an inverter, which ran off of the battery, but this is a generating head, meaning the pulley that drove the blades, will drive the head. Better tehen some stupid inverter, probally could get a head with 220 too. That would be pretty neat



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Sloroll

12-07-2004 06:44:42




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 Using your brain! in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
That is good keep thinking! All the greats tried and failed but the point is they tried until they succeeded. I'm glad your grey matter is stirring.



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lgc

12-07-2004 06:35:24




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
Why not just burn water in it. I learned in highschool chemistry water is composed of hydrogen and oxygen. Hydrogen burns, oxygen supports combustion. All you have to do is separate the two and you have all kinds of energy. Wonder why no one is doing it?



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Paul in Mich

12-07-2004 10:07:46




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to lgc, 12-07-2004 06:35:24  
lgc, In 1991, while working as a machinist in a job shop in Columbus Ohio, I worked on some components for a Hydrogen powered car developed by Stanley Meyer. He acquired many patents and on one occasion I did see the car,(V.W. dune buggy) run on nothing but water. In due time, Stanley Meyer was sued by some of his investors claiming that his findings were fraudulant. I"m not certain what the legal result was, but eventually Mr. Meyers died a under suspicious circumstances. I can"t say with certainty that Stanley Meyers process was a total success, as at the time I was making parts for him, he was tweaking his process. I do believe that the possibility of extracting hydrogen from water on demand rather than storing it in cells is feasable, and eventually may be the fuel by which all things operate with the exception of jet aircraft. I think it is simply a matter of time, and then building the infrastructure to deliver such technology to the end user. I do remember one thing Mr. Meyer told me personally as I worked on his components, and that was that he truly felt that he we worth more dead to many people from scientists to bankers, to oil companies to politicians than he was alive, and that he was indeed afraid for his life. I tried to imagine the different people who stand to lose should hydrogen technology be established by someone outside the conventional energy loop, and it takes not much imagination to conclude that at this time, probably many more people would benefit more if the technology was retarded, discredited, or otherwise sabotoged.

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Jake in Colorado

12-07-2004 15:57:02




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Paul in Mich, 12-07-2004 10:07:46  
For water powered cars, when it seperates the water, would it destroy the water, or would it be re-usable?



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Paul in Mich

12-07-2004 17:02:44




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake in Colorado, 12-07-2004 15:57:02  
From what I have read, the water vapor and residue is reusable in Meyer"s process. There is some info pertaining to Stanley Meyers and his Hydrogen powered car in various web-sites. Going to Google will get you there and through reading, you can form your own opinion as to the legitimacy of this process. My opinion is either it is a great hoax on the part of Stanley Meyers or a great cover-up on the part of a lot of other people.

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Mike (WA)

12-07-2004 17:54:29




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Paul in Mich, 12-07-2004 17:02:44  
The big villians here are the laws of thermodynamics- it takes more energy to break apart the hydrogen and oxygen from water than you get when you recombine them by combustion. This doesn't even have to be proven emperically, because if that were not the case, water would decompose spontaneously, with catastrophic results vis a vis "the world as we know it". The exception is nuclear reactions, which do produce extra energy. Lucky for us that there are not enough radioactive materials just laying around to support an unrestrained reaction. I do think that the future of energy is in the decompositon and recombination of water, because the energy "cost" to do so is very low compared to the costs of other types of energy, and the "cost" in terms of environmental degradation is virtually negligible, making it acceptable to the greeners. If you could carry on the "water to hydrogen/ oxygen and hydrogen/oxygen to water" reactions with only the addition of a modest alcohol flame producing the extra energy needed, I believe everyone would be happy. And I see that happening within the foreseaable future. I rode in a Honda Prius the other day, and, while the original poster's idea of perpetual motion will never be realized, I was impressed that we could apply the same principals and get 60 MPG while keeping up with the traffic and riding comfortably. I'm still not sellin' the Lincoln, but if gas prices get much higher, I'll probably be thinking about it.

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Allan in NE

12-07-2004 05:47:52




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
Now Jake,

If you were to get a flat tire on the front of your loader tractor, would you just tie a chain to the loader bucket, other end to the front axle and then lift the whole tractor front end off the ground using the loader? :>)

Allan



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Jake Helgoth

12-07-2004 15:58:52




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Allan in NE, 12-07-2004 05:47:52  
Are you just joking, or being serious, either way thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard! Nothings impossible, Ill go get a loader and try this!



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T_Bone

12-07-2004 05:45:09




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
Hi Jake,

"One day in math class"

Well then here's some numbers to work with;

1hp = 746w

A alternator has pumping losses so figure 85% efficiency. Makes maximum wattage at 2000rpm for automobil types. A typical alternator output is rated at 13.6v@130amps.

A voltage regualtor for deep cycle battery's is 95% efficient.

V-belts are 93% efficient

Invertors are typicaly 90% efficient.

Maximum battery drain is 75% of max rated amperage for a lead acid deep cycle battery's. Absolute discharge is 50%. Typical T-105 6v golf cart battery's are 105amp/hr rated at 20a/hr discharge rate.

From the above numbers, Now tell me how many watts your invertor will output and for how long ?

T_Bone

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MIke (WA)

12-07-2004 18:22:14




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to T_Bone, 12-07-2004 05:45:09  
Well, you're no fun- bringing in real numbers, and all.



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Rauville

12-07-2004 05:42:26




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
Years ago I attended an estate auction of a gentleman that had spent years perfecting his own "perpetual motion" machine. One whole room in his home was devoted to it. With a combination of generators, cream separators, electromagnets, hot air engines, etc. all hooked together, it was an impressive sight! If I remember right, I believe the selling price at the auction was $20.00 for the entire device. Now I find out what it was worth...darn it!

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buickanddeere

12-07-2004 05:11:51




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
You are kidding..... ....right? It's suprising how many people get shafted every year investing into this classic "story". Why does the local power utility bother with buring fossil fuels in boilers or running nuclear reactors?



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Bus Driver

12-07-2004 04:12:57




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
Instead of doing the generator project, I built a self-winding sundial that glows in the dark.



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willie j

12-07-2004 03:48:15




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
Jake
You guys are to be commended for thinking about this, keep at it. However, it won't work. Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can be changed in form & moved around.
I see a few weak points. All energy comes from the sun. No machine is 100% efficient. Bearing friction, belt friction, some of the electrical energy, & even slight air turbulance of the rotating shafts are converted to heat & dissipated into surrounding air.
The most efficient way that i am aware of, although there may be others, is to grab the sun's energy, bypass everything else, & convert it directly to electrical energy. Then it can be stored in batteries for use when there is no direct sunshine, & moved by wire to wherever it is needed. There is a field of solar collectors about 35 miles west of Barstow Ca, looks like about 80 acres. Don't know if this is experimental or in use. Wind energy is a big project too, have seen some places with a couple thousand windmills generating power. There are even miniature solar cells that use light energy from even a match to power calculators. There are solar 12 volt chargers on the market for about 30 bucks. They don't put out a lot, but will maintain & even slowly charge a battery. Can get solar powered fans to put in car windows. Even on a cloudy day they will provide air circulation so your car doesn't get so hot inside while sitting in parking lot.
If I were 50 years younger & had a mind capable of doing it, I would go the solar route, & work on improving effieiency. Keep those minds working. It is possible that someday you will reach a breakthrough, & be as famous as Franklin, Bell, Edison & others.
Willie J

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Mike (WA)

12-07-2004 18:28:51




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to willie j, 12-07-2004 03:48:15  
I think you've hit on it- the future is going to be small, individual application based upon what is the most efficient for the situation- solar when available, batteries based on solar for less direct applications, etc. The ultimate solution is going to be based on renewable resources- solar, vegetation, etc. The final answer has to just bypass fossil fuels, period.



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Missouri Boy

12-07-2004 02:55:56




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
I met a rich fellow who once revealed his source of wealth. he had discovered they there was a market for cat skins. He could get a limited number of free cats from the animal shelter. He skinned the cats and sold the pelts. This was too slow so he decided to breed cats. he had to find food for the cats so he collected rats to feed the cats. He could not get enough rats so he began breeding rats. The rats also needed to be fed so he fed the skinned carcasses of the cats to the rats. He skinned the cats and fed the rats and fed the rats to the the cats making agreat profit until he flooded the market for cat skins.

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Mike (WA)

12-08-2004 18:10:37




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Missouri Boy, 12-07-2004 02:55:56  
That lived in the house that Jack built.



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Bernie in MA

12-07-2004 19:44:05




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Missouri Boy, 12-07-2004 02:55:56  
This same exact story was making the rounds 50 years ago when I was in college.



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HTR

12-07-2004 15:40:34




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Missouri Boy, 12-07-2004 02:55:56  
yeah, I would probably have had alot more money, if i hadn't been working on perpetual motion for the last forty years.

The closest that I ever came to accomplishing perpetual motion, was by observing two basics laws of physics. Law no.(1) If you hold a cat upside down and drop him, he always lands on his feet. Law no.(2) If you drop a slice of buttered bread, it always lands on the floor butter side down. So, the idea was to tie a slice of buttered bread on the cats back, buttered side up. I then held the cat in the air by his feet and dropped him. This made the buttered bread falling buttered side down, that was right, but the cat was falling with his feet up. About a foot off the ground law no. 1 took over, and the cat flipped over to land on his feet. This put the bread falling buttered side up, law no.2 then flipped the bread over to land buttered side down.Then law no. 1 reversed this, then law no.2 took over. After watching this phenomena rotating about a foot off the floor for a short period, I went to get some pulleys and belts to see if I could harness some of the free energy. On the way back I met the cat running full speed leaving home.( he probably didn't like physics) When I got in the room, sure enough the string had broken, and the bread was lying on the floor buttered side down. End of my perpetual motion career.

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greenbeanman in Kansas

12-06-2004 20:49:35




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 Search for Free Energy Devices in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
I think you will also enjoy reading of the work of others. Just search for free energy devices.

Be plenty wary and skeptical until you see first hand whether ANY devices work.



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greenbeanman in Kansas

12-06-2004 20:44:05




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
Hi neighbor, I'm in the next state over, i.e. Kansas.

When I was a kid my brothers and I played/experimented with all sorts of homebrew devices, nothing as grand a scale as you speak of however.

I encourage you to proceed with the fun project. Be sure to start with a fully charged battery. Install an ampmeter on the line going to the motor, and an ampmeter on the line from the alternator to the battery. Check the difference.

When you put the device into operation be sure to time it to see how long it takes for the battery to completely run down. Uh, hate to agree with the others, but it will fail to produce enough to keep operating.

I would rather see you young men work on the capacitors and device needed to gather "ether" electricity courtesy Tesla's ether plate collector. There are books bearing his patent information, but as far as I know the capacitors and trigger devices do not exist today.

To get you to also think along other energy lines, how about coming up with a device to gather the heat from household waste water? There are a few on the market, but I think one could be made better. Dishwasher water, washing machine water, etc. capatured to extract the heat from it to preheat incoming water heater water. Get the idea?

How about relocating the compressors from freezers and refrigerators so that the heat is expelled from the house during the summer, and is used to help heat the house in the winter. Perhaps use the heat from them to preheat water heater water.

Jake, I have faith in you young people. WE NEED young people like you to kick around ideas until they work and become reality. YOU GO GUY!!!! Never stop dreaming.

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REDEYE

12-06-2004 20:32:04




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
sorry chief but you just violated some of the laws of thermodynamics. however you did come up with a nifty "perpertual motioin" machine. like joe said you will achieve better results by just hooking the inverter to the battery. infact you could plug the motor into a wall outlet and still wont get as much juice coming out of the invertor as is going into the motor. keep thinkin though...you definately have an engineering mentality... i suggest penn state or georgia tech as they are where i attended and are both excellent colleges. if you and your buddies need somthing to kill more time in math class, check this out Link what is crazy about this is that it is one of the most efficient engines and it actually works.

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Mike (WA)

12-09-2004 08:19:06




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to REDEYE, 12-06-2004 20:32:04  
How do they start it? Can you get ether in 55 gallon drums?



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Tramway Guy

12-06-2004 20:16:52




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
It"s called "perpetual motion"...just in newer clothing.



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benjb in NE

12-06-2004 20:04:37




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
Dont forget about friction (mechanical) and resistance (electrical) as well as the Law of Conservation of Energy



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Joe (Wa)

12-06-2004 19:44:45




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
You are introducing electrical & mechanical losses with the motor/alterator setup. The battery will run down faster than if you just used it to power the inverter.

Joe



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MarkB_MI

12-06-2004 19:39:13




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
It's probably too late now, but the Big Oil companies will never let you get away with it. I wouldn't give a plug nickel for your life right now. They probably already have contract out on you and your buddies. Been nice knowing you, though...



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MarkB_MI

12-07-2004 03:06:16




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to TomR Ont., 12-06-2004 20:19:49  
Hey Tom,

You're right, I should never have accused our corporate good neighbors of anything so dastardly. After all, didn't that guy with the 100 mpg carburetor retire to Florida?

Interesting you should bring up cold fusion. It turns out the Dept. of Energy just released a new study; check out the link below.

So you don't have to read the whole paper, here's the conclusions:

"While significant progress has been made in the sophistication of calorimeters since the review of this subject in 1989, the conclusions reached by the reviewers today are similar to those found in the 1989 review.

"The current reviewers identified a number of basic science research areas that could be helpful in resolving some of the controversies in the field, two of which were: 1) material science aspects of deuterated metals using modern characterization techniques, and 2) the study of particles reportedly emitted from deuterated foils using state-of-the-art apparatus and methods. The reviewers believed that this field would benefit from the peer-review processes associated with proposal submission to agencies and paper submission to archival journals."

So you still can't create fusion in a Dixie cup.

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TomR Ont.

12-07-2004 07:00:59




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to MarkB_MI, 12-07-2004 03:06:16  
MarkB_MI - In the late "60s I recall a guy who was on TV showing his 100 mpg carb, he said he would never sell it to the Oil Companies.
Guess He picked the wrong table. haven't heard of him since either.

"So you still can't create fusion in a Dixie cup."
I would never have figured out what they were saying.(shell game of words?)
I'm glad you cleared that up.



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paul

12-06-2004 21:05:31




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to TomR Ont., 12-06-2004 20:19:49  
They got cold feet?

--->Paul



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REDEYE

12-06-2004 20:55:52




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to TomR Ont., 12-06-2004 20:19:49  
the last update on fusion is that some people, the individuals and university are eludeing me at the moment, have actually produced a sustanaible fusion reactor, meaning that the reactor is capable of generating more electricty than it needs to operate. if people wouldnt be so paranoid about nuclear power we would never be in the energy situation we are in today. in fact we could probabbly tell those arabs to give ther oil to allah. but after three mile island and chernobyl, people were scared to death of nuclear power. in fact i was one of those individuals untill i learned about how nuclear power actually works, as i grew up during the cold war in a typical american houshold that was afraid of commies and nukes. i actually had the pleasure to job shadow a nuclear engineer at three mile island on dec 31 1999, which is the Y2K deal where all the nuclear power plants were suppose to explode...and the world was suppose to end and all that stuff, i even got to shake hands with the head of the NRC at the time. but as i get back on topic the reason why nuclear energy is not the main source of power today is that it is entirely political. like all things it takes a lot of money to pay grad students like me to figure that stuff out(45k a year to be exact) and as long as people do not support (afraid of) nuclear energy then there is no politician in the country going to give money to universities to develop it. one of the things holding up progress in fusion now is that it costs more to produce the energy than you can sell it for. the reason for this is that there is a special hydrogen isotope (fuel) that is not that prevailent on earth and is quite costly. one of the proposed solutions to this is mining the moon, as it has an abundance of that special hydrogen isotope. so look for moon colonization and mining in the next 20 years. if i remember correctly that article was in popular mechaics, although im not 100% sure.

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buickanddeere

12-07-2004 12:12:18




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to REDEYE, 12-06-2004 20:55:52  
The special Hydrogen isotope that is the easiest to cram together in a fusion reaction is tritium or H3. Next easiest is heavy hydrogen which is found in heavy water D2O. We have loads of the crap around here in the D2O moderated candu reactors. Neutrons hit the H2 atom in the heavy water molecule and transmutes into tritium. We have to extract the tritium from the heavy water every once in a while. Or we get heavy rad dose when exposed to D2O/tritium water vapor. In the old days if dosed up. They used to send you home with a 24 of beer and a 1 gallon pee sample bottle. The more water based fluids you drink, the more water/tritium is flushed out through your kidneys. Shortens the time it has to irradiate your whole body before it would normally be "gone". The stuff glows so it's used on weapon sights, non electric emergency lights. It's just about essential in the "primer" to get a hydrogen bomb warhead to go bang. Tritium gas is miserable to handle as it reacts chemically like hydrogen gas. It seeps right through many materials as the atom is so small. It makes metal brittle as well. The movie "Spider Man 2" showed Doc Octopus getting and using a "lump" of tritium. It was the funniest part of the movie for me.

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greenbeanman in Kansas

12-06-2004 21:38:49




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to REDEYE, 12-06-2004 20:55:52  
I can't for the life of me figure out why more wind energy in not utilized. I realize that it is not feasible everywhere, but the energy can be transmitted just like other electrical energy.

There is a wind farm near Montezuma, KS that produces enoungh energy to supply power for 34-35,000 homes.

While I am reading some new reports stating that there is a slight climate change beneath them, I doubt such change of a degree or two would matter. At night supposedly the blades fan a slight amount of aloft warmer air to the ground. Just a longer growing season. Ha.

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greenbeanman in Kansas

12-07-2004 09:55:43




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Paul in Mich, 12-07-2004 04:50:02  
Wind farms bring in some serious cash for farmers and counties.

Seems I remember the $2,000 per unit term being bantered around. A quarter section full of machines would be farming all to heck---and you would still have 90% or so of the land to farm.

Think of the property taxes a county would collect if they have not waived away the rights to it for a few years.

Yes, I suppose they are an eyesore to some, but I'd rather have the convenience of electricity than not. Personally I rather enjoy watching them turn instead of a smokestack belching it's waste.

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buickanddeere

12-07-2004 12:18:05




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 12-07-2004 09:55:43  
Even if there "enough" windmills installed the entire existing fossil and nuclear sites would be required. Our windmills on site only generated 24% of thier installed capacity last year. A few days down for service and many days and nights with too little wind to operate. Other times the wind is too strong and they have to be shut down to prevent damage. The rest of the time they ran at partial capacity due to light winds. And this is one of the best sites in Ontario which is bigger than Texas.

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Paul in Mich

12-07-2004 10:17:09




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 12-07-2004 09:55:43  
The last time I looked, there weren"t many smoke stacks gracing landscape of Cap Cod either. I agree, that there may be a (pardon the pun) windfall by allowing windmills on rural property just as farmers have benefitted by allowing communication towers to be placed on their land. I"m not sure what the lease rate is, but have heard that it is substantial, and brings in more revenue than farming the same land would bring in in a lifetime.

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Mike M

12-07-2004 05:08:57




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Paul in Mich, 12-07-2004 04:50:02  
They should mount them in the rafters of the capital building---plenty of hot air movement to keep them turning.



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Paul in Mich

12-07-2004 06:20:54




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Mike M, 12-07-2004 05:08:57  
Mike, I think you may be on to something there. Enough hot air there to melt the glaciers. Gee, do you think thats the real culprit in all this global warming hullabaloo? Now if you could only develope a conduit to direct and distribute the heat and yet extract the bad breath that goes with that same hot air, you"d really be on to something.



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rustyfarmall

12-06-2004 19:16:49




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 Re: A great homebrew generator plan in reply to Jake In Colorado, 12-06-2004 19:05:54  
First, I do not want to discourage you, YOU may just be the one who can make it work. BUT, on the other hand, if it was that easy, the internal combustion engine would have long since faded into history. Hang in there, I like the way you think. Like I said before, you might just be the one who can unlock the problem and make it work. May I suggest that you look into attending Iowa State University?

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