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Change external reg'd alternator to internal

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Tom S. in Tn.

12-04-2004 13:07:42




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I want to take the old external regulated motorcraft alternator off our 8000 series truck and replace it with a newer, easier to find one with internal regulation. Both are around 90 amp.
Anyone ever do this? What do I do about the old external regulator wiring?
Thanx; Tom S. in Tn.




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ohio dick

12-04-2004 21:45:20




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 Re: Change external reg'd alternator to internal in reply to Tom S. in Tn., 12-04-2004 13:07:42  
if you use a 21si just hook up power and ground its ready to run.



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Bob

12-04-2004 15:06:36




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 Re: Change external reg'd alternator to internal in reply to Tom S. in Tn., 12-04-2004 13:07:42  
I assuming you're talking about a Ford truck?

The easiest internally regulated alternator to install would be a GM 10SI, that was used on GM cars and trucks from the mid-70's to the mid 80's+, or a similar, but heavier-duty 12SI.

Hook the present large alternator output wire to the large stud on the Delco, and run a jumper wire from the large stud to the #2 terminal on the alternator.

If you now have an "idiot light" in the dash, disconnect the idiot light wire from the old voltage regulator, and connect it to the #1 wire on the new Delco alternator.

If you do not now have an idiot light, find a source of battery voltage that is switched "ON" with the key. Run that through a "idiot light" or "side marker light", using a #194 bulb, to the #1 alternator terminal.

Alternately, you can put a diode in the wire from the switched 12 Volts to the #1 terminal. For reliability, use a 4 or 5 Amp 1000 PIV diode. The cathode end should be marked with a white band, and that end goes toward the #1 terminal.

This basic hookup generally works well. If you want a little more elaborate system with remote voltage sensing, look HERE:

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Tom S. in Tn.

12-05-2004 12:02:19




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 Re: Change external reg'd alternator to internal in reply to Bob, 12-04-2004 15:06:36  
I am using a motorcraft "blue back" on a Ford truck with an amp gauge, but the info you provide is basically the same. Thanx for the site.
Tom S.



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Jon H

12-05-2004 20:39:24




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 Re: Change external reg'd alternator to internal in reply to Tom S. in Tn., 12-05-2004 12:02:19  
I have no hands on experience with the Motorcraft internal regulator alternator,but my motors manual shows wiring for one. On the one shown as having an internal regulator,the regulator is actually external,bolted under the terminal studs on the rear case. The diagram for this unit shows only 2 wires needed,the BAT wire to the output stud,and the "supply" terminal on the regulator.The supply terminal appears to be a push on quick connector stud,with the supply wire having a 10 ohm resistor in it connected to the run side of the ignition switch. I hope this helps. This unit looks like a slick way to use a Motorcraft alternator in a conversion without the bulky external regulator and wiring. You got me curious about this unit,I will check the jobber rebuilt price of one of these "internal regulator" Motorcraft units,and see if the little solid state regulator can be adapted to a standard external regulator Motorcraft alternator. This would end one aggrivating problem with fitting a Delco alternator to a Ford,that is having to drill the Delco case mounting hole to 7/16 to fit the Ford mounting hardware.

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Tom S. in Tn.

12-06-2004 06:34:06




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 Motorcraft vs Delco in reply to Jon H, 12-05-2004 20:39:24  
I"m working on a big 90 something amp unit [called a "blue back"] on an 8000 series truck, and the new replacement appears to have a solid state reg inside the rear frame housing. I have a big 130 amd Leece Neeville unit off a bus, but I wanted to stay with an updated Motorcraft. Like Delco or etc., they all require 12v switched current with a diode or bulb to prevent current backflow, and the 12v output connected in line with the battery. I have the principle, but I did not know what was what on the back of the 2 alternators and where the switched 12 volts should go. I have to check with a meter at the regulator plug to find the switched 12v [stator or field?] and take that wire from the fender and out of the harness and over to the alternator [supply you say?]....I think. I have replaced old ext. reg"d generators with int. reg"d alternators, and I "think" the process is about the same. Isn"t it?
Thanx; Tom S.

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JMOORE

12-04-2004 18:18:58




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 Re: Change external reg'd alternator to internal in reply to Bob, 12-04-2004 15:06:36  
Bob, I checked out the link you gave , and it is one heck of a good site-lots of brain food there .Thanks JM



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