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Carl S.

12-04-2004 10:05:47

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I find myself finally in the happy situation of begin able to look for a used tractor-backhoe. I currently own an 8N with a Wagner loader which I will keep. I would like some opinions as to what would be a good choice. I intend to use it mainly to dig gravel, dig/pull stumps, and build tractor roads. I don't think I really want a full sized backhoe with the cab and all that because that kind of rig seems too big. I was thinking more along the lines of an older Case with loader on front & backhoe at the rear since they were made to handle a backhoe. So if anyone has any opinions as to Case, Ford, John Deere, or other models, please let me know. Also, if you know of specific models to steer away from, I would like to know that too. I have maybe up to $6000 for this machine.
Thanks, Carl S. in NH

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RZ(WA)

12-07-2004 01:49:07

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Re: tractor-backhoe advice in reply to Carl S., 12-04-2004 10:05:47

There are a lot of older Case 580's around in decent shape and for a decent price. It might be a bit difficult finding one in your price range, but if you aren't in any great hurry, one will show up. Might check out your state, county, city sales and auctions. Seems many of the early to mid 1980's Case backhoes are coming to market at affordable price and condition. Three months ago I picked up at county auction a 580 CK for $6300 US. It needed a new set of brakes, the cylinders for the outriggers will need to be rebuilt shortly but all else works great. Way I figger it, I can always sell it, without feeling guilty, for what I have in it.

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thurlow

12-06-2004 09:17:38

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Re: tractor-backhoe advice in reply to Carl S., 12-04-2004 10:05:47

Got an old Case 580 CK (4 cylinder diesel) which I gave $5500 for about 15 years ago; looks ragged, lot of slop in pivot points, pile of cr*p; but you know what; cranks every time, runs and digs. For my purposes, works great. Got front-end loaders on 2 farm tractors, which work fine for hay/silage/manure, but for dirt, sand, gravel, there's no comparison..... ..

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BLW

12-06-2004 08:14:01

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Re: tractor-backhoe advice in reply to Carl S., 12-04-2004 10:05:47

carl-- I am not going to give you any advice, because most hoes work fine if they are not worn out, from what you say you are going to use it for I wouldn"t buy one of the smaller ones, they are made of tin- med size would be better- by the way if your in new hampshire I"m in chatham NY, and have a pippen hoe w/ few hours older but works good and you can put it on any tractor, then you know you have a tractor not worn out-- blw

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T_Bone

12-06-2004 00:47:35

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Re: tractor-backhoe advice in reply to Carl S., 12-04-2004 10:05:47

Hi carl,

What ever you buy, take a hour and dig a hole with it. If anything is mickey moused or marginal it will show up when the hydraulic oil gets warm.

Then let the machine cool off then dig again for a couple buckets. This is so you can tell the difference on a unfimular machine. If it starts digging better than when you quit, the hydraulics are weak.

$2000 doesn't buy very many hydraulic repair parts.

T_Bone

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Andrew H.

12-05-2004 15:20:01

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Re: tractor-backhoe advice in reply to Carl S., 12-04-2004 10:05:47

I have a 1976 Ford 550 TLB. Paid 9000.00 Canadian for it, and it came delivered, plus an extra motor!
I would suggest looking at an industrial TLB as opposed to an agricultural TLB. The Industrial models are tougher, and the backhoe is made for the machine as opposed to an add-on or an aftermarket attachment. The Ford 3 cylinder Diesels are bulletproof, and my machine is pretty strong. I have a 6 foot loader and two backhoe buckets- a 12 in. trenching bucket and a 28 inch hi volume digging bucket. I see great TLB"s all the time on ebay in the States in the 4000-10000 range.

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howarddrilling

12-05-2004 07:44:14

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Re: tractor-backhoe advice in reply to Carl S., 12-04-2004 10:05:47

I have a 1967 Case 580 gas. Standard shift with shuttle. No power reverser. Gave $6000 for it about 3 yrs ago. Not the best as has some engine wear--but only add oil rarely. When I got it it had several cylinders leaking hyd oil. Not a bad problem as simple to fix. Most did not need piston repair. Just shaft seals which are very cheap. I did buy the pin wrench from Case to make taking apart more easy. That was about $80. What I like about the old Case is pretty simple. I still need to buy a set of crow foot wrenches to get to hoses fitting on control bank.
Rig has alot of power. Hook rear bucket teeth under a big rock and front is off ground with no effort. MY rear bucked cylinder did have a slight warp in shaft. Had machine shop true up for $20. What I,m saying here is if your handy these old Cases are pretty much just a tractor and a bunch of hoses and cylinders. You can fix them pretty much yourself. I stayed away from the "automatic" stuff for that reason. It"s great when it"s new. But when it gets in my price range----- ---

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JiminIA

12-05-2004 07:23:30

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Re: tractor-backhoe advice in reply to Carl S., 12-04-2004 10:05:47

I have a MF 3165 which I have been very happy with. I would try to buy one built on an industrial tractor and not a farm tractor with a backhoe attachment..... Keep an eye out for leaking cylinders and worn pins and bushings an the hoe....Jim

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JiminIA

12-05-2004 07:23:03

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Everett

12-04-2004 15:21:03

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Re: tractor-backhoe advice in reply to Carl S., 12-04-2004 10:05:47

CarlS. BSer is right.You just can`t beat those Case 530 I paid 2500.00 for both of mine. One needed a clutch and the other a crank shaft. To old to work hard every but a nice toy. Everett

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BSer

12-04-2004 11:11:43

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Re: tractor-backhoe advice in reply to Carl S., 12-04-2004 10:05:47

The best older hoe to own is a 530 Case.They are in your price range,aftermarket parts are available and plenty have made it to the boneyard. It depends on the machine condition but it's hard to find a hoe in that price range.The 3 cylinder fords are OK but a beginner would buy quite a few swing chains. The internationals and M-F's have a rotator for the hoe that can be expensive.

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growser

12-04-2004 19:53:05

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Re: tractor-backhoe advice in reply to BSer, 12-04-2004 11:11:43

that there is good advice, I got a 530 for $6000 and have put in my drain field, dug hundreds of feet of ditch, and it is still going fine. It is pretty light in the front going up hill but that"s just about the only prob. I wouldn"t go any lighter or you get frustrated with slowness.

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