Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Tractor Talk Discussion Forum

Boom Saftey problem solved Thanks T-Bone!!

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
Willy-N

11-19-2004 07:58:35




Report to Moderator

T-Bone you were the only one who gave me numbers for the stress points in what you were talking about. You got me concerned I made the Boom to strong that when it gave it would snap bolts or parts on the tractor at that point. The Boom is to strong and not designed to bend slowly. So I will make a change to solve that by moving the attachment point of the top Tension brace down the boom. This way if someone desides to try to lift something way to heavy the boom tip will bend and lower the load slowly or it will bend during the lift. This way nothing can break it will only bend. It will be a way of limiting the amount it can lift with out shearing or snaping anything. It is a shame you have to derate a boom to a low bending point for people who have no idea on what a thing weighs or safe lifting limints with there tractor. You do not want a failure to be breaking something that could make something fly or free drop. This is why I posted this here for comments and thanks T-Bone! I knew the boom would bend if I put the upper point lower on it but was not figuring someone way over loading it even if I said it is designed for 1,000 lbs and I tested it at 3,000+ lbs for a saftey factor. At least now I know the rest of it is safe but the boom will only bend if over loaded. I need to make it Fool proof! Mark H.

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Kansas

11-19-2004 20:00:42




Report to Moderator
 Re: Boom Saftey problem solved Thanks T-Bone!! in reply to Willy-N, 11-19-2004 07:58:35  
I don't want to rain on your parade, been reading all this, but, I don't think this is the re-invention of the wheel. I made essentially the same thing 20 years ago. You did a really nice job on it and it looks great, but don't let it go to your head.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Willy-N

11-19-2004 21:25:15




Report to Moderator
 Re: Boom Saftey problem solved Thanks T-Bone!! in reply to Kansas, 11-19-2004 20:00:42  
Not going to my head. Can I see a picture of the one you built that does all 3 things? Show me one that has been built that has a Boom, forks and hitch all in one but not using a set up like the Easy/Hitch where it costs $1,200.00 to get all 3 sections that looks like one main hitch and 3 other hitches that hold the boom, forks ect you hook onto it. The pictures on my site have been opened 2,804 times to be looked at in the larger form and the site visited 599 time so there is some instrust in it if nothing else to get ideas from it. Mark H.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Kansas

11-20-2004 02:57:58




Report to Moderator
 Re: Boom Saftey problem solved Thanks T-Bone!! in reply to Willy-N, 11-19-2004 21:25:15  
I'm not trying to be a smart A$$. I actually made a few variations, one with a hydraulic cylinder for a kind of mobile cherry picker, which was ok, but I actually had better luck with a boom like yours and a chain hoist. I still have and still use the ball hitch to move trailers around. Hey...I'm all for you. I hope you sell a million of them and never have a single complaint.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Willy-N

11-20-2004 07:43:04




Report to Moderator
 Re: Boom Saftey problem solved Thanks T-Bone!! in reply to Kansas, 11-20-2004 02:57:58  
I am just bummed because of all the people who sue like spilt hot coffie ect. Nobody seems to want to think they caused the problem. Socititey has allowed this to happen and has made things cost so much more because of it. I am tring to make a good product for a few who might want it and this site is a good one for feed back. It gets flustrating sometimes. Mark H.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
RAB

11-19-2004 08:23:16




Report to Moderator
 Re: Boom Saftey problem solved Thanks T-Bone!! in reply to Willy-N, 11-19-2004 07:58:35  
Mark,
Not fool proof - IDIOT proof!
Regards, RAB



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
hay

11-19-2004 08:17:51




Report to Moderator
 Re: Boom Saftey problem solved Thanks T-Bone!! in reply to Willy-N, 11-19-2004 07:58:35  
implements cost a lot to buy, but considering the immense engineering for safety, it's worth it. things sometimes look simple to build and some are, but the safety factor always takes much skill.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Vern-MI

11-19-2004 11:34:12




Report to Moderator
 Re: Boom Saftey problem solved Thanks T-Bone!! in reply to hay, 11-19-2004 08:17:51  
Mark, looks to me like you will need to:

Incorporate to isolate yourself from liability

Get a good lawyer upfront to make sure the necessary legal documents and procedures are followed to protect yourself from liability.

Purchase liability insurance.

Hire an accountant to handle the corporate taxes properly.

Hire a professional structural engineer to properly design the appartus and certify the design.

Hire a certified testing institute to do the testing on the completed design.

Make sure that the company has certified welders to properly weld the product.

Hire a technical report writer to write the operators manual complete with all the safety guidlines identified for proper use.

Properly certify that the incomming steel stock is what has been detailed on the engineering drawings.

Ahhh, boilerplate, boiler plate and more boiler plate. If a customer can prove negligence on the part of the company then he has a chance at winning the lawsuit. Also if he wins the lawsuit against the corporation then he can go after the individuals in the company who controlled the design and build of the product.

Hate to rain on your parade Mark but I've been there and it ain't no fun!

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
toolman

11-19-2004 12:57:32




Report to Moderator
 Re: Boom Saftey problem solved Thanks T-Bone!! in reply to Vern-MI, 11-19-2004 11:34:12  
or sell it to just canadians, i don,t think we have lawyers that are all that smart YET lol. don,t hear of much of that going on up here alot.it will i suppose.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Willy-N LLC

11-19-2004 12:32:37




Report to Moderator
 Re: Boom Saftey problem solved Thanks T-Bone!! in reply to Vern-MI, 11-19-2004 11:34:12  
Just need to start a LLC and admit no liability with it. If Sued then they can sue the name since the Company will own nothing. I have been self employed for allmost 20 years now all legal ect. Been a Electrical Contractor for 13 years been there done that. Mark H.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
paul

11-19-2004 12:00:50




Report to Moderator
 Re: Boom Saftey problem solved Thanks T-Bone!! in reply to Vern-MI, 11-19-2004 11:34:12  
Collecting state sales taxes & properly filing that info is also an issue in most states....

Certainly many, many people make 5-10-20 of something like this, sell them, and no problems. But - the chance is there. And advertising it on the internet, looks like you can go into production on these & sell a few around....

what makes me write - yet again!!!! :) - on this, is the title of this thread. "Safety problem solved" is not ever a good way to look at these issues. In the USA with the liability issues, there can never be a solution to this. That is most certainly the wrong way to look at this.

Can"t never solve the safety problems. You either need to be so big & powerful that few people can successully sue you - but look at the lady that put a hot cup of coffee between her legs, spilled it, & sued McDonalds for millions - and won. Or, you have to be so small & worth less than zero, so no one will bother to sue you, can"t get anything out of you.

Those in the middle, that used to be the backbone of this country, the upstarts & inovators - they are being shut down with all this legal stuff.

As always, just my general comments on something that really bothers me in this country - not a comment against anyone trying or inovating or building & selling a great widget. :)

--->Paul

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Willy-N

11-19-2004 08:26:05




Report to Moderator
 Re: Boom Saftey problem solved Thanks T-Bone!! in reply to hay, 11-19-2004 08:17:51  
And making them a way that when they fail it is not a Catastrofic Failure just a bend that you say WOW I guess I lifted to much weight the lable was right do not exceed XXXX lbs on lifting. Mark H.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Allan in NE

11-19-2004 08:56:44




Report to Moderator
 Re: Boom Saftey problem solved Thanks T-Bone!! in reply to Willy-N, 11-19-2004 08:26:05  
Now Mark,

Well, okay. Just don't start buildin' in an obsolesce factor! :>)

Allan



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Willy-N

11-19-2004 12:35:18




Report to Moderator
 Re: Boom Saftey problem solved Thanks T-Bone!! in reply to Allan in NE, 11-19-2004 08:56:44  
No way to make something that someone won't say you can be sued. The world has gone to "It is someone elses fault not mine"! Mark H.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy