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ttractorman

11-04-2004 16:01:59




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Why do people buy tractors and then tell us that if we do not buy them at their price or within a certain amount of time, they will scrap them out? Old tractors are getting harder to come by, if that is what their plans are when they buy the tractor, they should not buy them to start with. There is plenty of other things out there they could buy! Usually, they buy rare tractors and scrap them out. Scrap is not that high. Just my thoughts.

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Doug/Ont

11-05-2004 08:13:55




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 Re: Scrapping tractors in reply to ttractorman, 11-04-2004 16:01:59  
I see by some of the replies that a lot of scrapped iron is going to China,I can only regret that most of the old tractors end up this way.I do however, want to remind you all that before Pearl Harbour, most of North American scrap was going to Japan, food for thought. Just my old observations and my 2 cents worth. Best regards to all Douglas.



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Robert E. Smith

11-05-2004 15:14:53




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 Re: Scrapping tractors in reply to Doug/Ont, 11-05-2004 08:13:55  
Yes that had crossed my mind also!



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Leroy

11-05-2004 06:57:37




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 Re: Scrapping tractors in reply to ttractorman, 11-04-2004 16:01:59  
The big question is , is it a good operable unit or a non running unit that has been neglected? If good and they want double of market value to sell it to you or part (Scrap) it out and sell maby 1/4 of parts for less than what good market value would have been in the good running condition and then cut up the rest just to get rid of it, or is it a unit that is only good for parts, our local tractor parts yard bues both running and non running units, good ones are put up for sale as is, others that need some repair are repaired for sale but if too far gone for repairable they are parted out with good used parts held onto untill they are needed

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Jeff Wenner

11-05-2004 03:23:57




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 Re: Scrapping tractors in reply to ttractorman, 11-04-2004 16:01:59  
Sometimes you just have to. I have a 1927 Farmall Regular parts tractor that I have been trying to give away for free and still can't find any takers. I'm going to have to send her off to China pretty soon, because I don't have a place to her. Hate to see it happen. If anybody wants her, let me know. (Williamsport, Pa)



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andy b.

11-05-2004 10:19:31




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 Re: Scrapping tractors in reply to Jeff Wenner, 11-05-2004 03:23:57  
there are "parts tractors", and there are parts tractors. i bought a 1939 Farmall F-14 "parts tractor" that i will probably have running next spring. there were a few small parts i needed, so i dragged a 1938 F-12 parts tractor out of a fencerow. i doubt i would be able to give away the F-12, but the F-14 was basically a complete tractor. i'm near Allentown, PA, and if i had a Regular i was restoring i would probably at least come take a look at your Regular.

andy b.

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Abe Yonder

11-05-2004 05:05:09




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 Re: Scrapping tractors in reply to Jeff Wenner, 11-05-2004 03:23:57  
Jeff; I would love to have your 27 Farmall; What would it cost to freight it to me in middle Georgia? I am CEO of the society for the preservation of old tractors--SPOT--and we are a 501-c-3 nonprofit. This means I can give you a letter of validation for the contribution of your old tractor and you can get a 100% tax credit for its value and cost of transport.
RSVP ASAP;;;yonder@yonderfamily.net Thank you

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Davis In SC

11-04-2004 19:54:40




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 Re: Scrapping tractors in reply to ttractorman, 11-04-2004 16:01:59  
Some people see to have an attitude about selling used equipment. I have known several that want "all or nothing"... If they cannot get a huge price, they would rather scrap it or leave it out to rust away. Seems like they are scared someone might get a good buy from them... It does not make sense, but if they own it, they are free to do as they please.. One of the advantages of living in the USA... :^)

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Robert E. Smith

11-04-2004 19:09:54




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 Re: Scrapping tractors in reply to ttractorman, 11-04-2004 16:01:59  
Scrap prices in mid summer were at a record high's! Everything going to China! we had record profit sharing checks this summer because of scrap prices! But sure dont want old iron going to scrap! But as said it's money in there pockets!
And thats the bottom line for some people!



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Paul in Mich

11-04-2004 17:34:27




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 Re: Scrapping tractors in reply to ttractorman, 11-04-2004 16:01:59  
ttractorman, On the surfact, it seems a tragedy to part out an old tractor, however, I have seen many ads where the seller has given someone else the opportunity to buy the tractor whole. Perhaps he asked too much and as a result didnt get any takers so decided to part it out. It is true that sum of a parted out tractor becomes worth more than the whole piece intact. As much as we tend to chastise the seller for parting out an old tractor, most of us who have restored a tractor have been the benificary of such a person. The fact is that one tractor with a stuck engine, or even with a good engine can as a result of being parted out keep 50 or more old tractors of its kind running and spared the same fate. We as restorers cant have it both ways. We cant lament the fact that a tractor is being dismantled and celebrate the results when we get that part that makes ours a finctionable and running beauty.

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buickanddeere

11-04-2004 16:46:39




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 Re: Scrapping tractors in reply to ttractorman, 11-04-2004 16:01:59  
I was afraid at first these machines were getting torched apart to make re-bar for China. It's a shame when somebody won't sell a machine for a restorer to rebuild or at least use the parts. It sits a bit longer then eventually that machine ends up sold for less by the family heirs or the executor who don't have a clue what it is. Then that low radiator G or what ever becomes clean steel and cast salvage.

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BobMo

11-04-2004 16:42:26




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 Re: Scrapping tractors in reply to ttractorman, 11-04-2004 16:01:59  
I think the difference being the key words "scrap out" used when they generally mean "part out". If this is the case they altermately just keeping more "old iron" in the field..... ...



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Edchainsaw

11-04-2004 16:35:03




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 Re: Scrapping tractors in reply to ttractorman, 11-04-2004 16:01:59  
Its like this: its there priority.. money or history. Money wins far to often in my opinon.
some say its progress.



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G-MAN

11-04-2004 16:25:42




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 Re: Scrapping tractors in reply to ttractorman, 11-04-2004 16:01:59  
Well, it basically comes down to the fact that it's their money they're spending and their tractors they're parting and they're completely free to do as they please. There's obviously more money in parting rare and unusual tractors and the parts have a higher perceived "value". I don't agree with the practice personally and don't like seeing old tractors parted and scrapped, but I've certainly purchased used parts and will continue to do so. Some guys aren't in it to preserve our ag history, but are in it to make money. You can disagree, but it makes little difference. And there's no denying that a lot of the old tractors are worth more one piece at a time than in one piece. Pretty much everything is. Buying every part over the counter to build a new car would cost you three times what it would cost to just go buy one.

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raytasch

11-04-2004 16:24:58




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 Re: Scrapping tractors in reply to ttractorman, 11-04-2004 16:01:59  
The sum value of the individual parts may be more than the machine as a whole. They are simply giving someone a chance to buy it whole. If that does not work they go to plan B, parts. IMHO, it beats letting a piece of old iron sit out and rust up.
ray



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Ray,IN

11-04-2004 22:20:41




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 Re: Scrapping tractors in reply to raytasch, 11-04-2004 16:24:58  
I approached a friend about my MF85, and he said it was worth about $1,200. The local salvage yard said they would give $800 sight unseen, perhaps more upon inspection, as they could triple thier money at minimum parting it out. I learned something there. The tractor would not be totally lost if salvaged. The parts would be bought by restorers and repair shops. These old tractor parts must come from somewhere.

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