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Loren-MN

11-04-2004 08:10:33




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My sister (middle aged, first childs)is scheduled to deliver twins next week. In addition to old tractors, Massey 65, JD 50, JD A and Ford 8N, they are also big into horses. They have two buggies(new). One 2 seats, 4 people, and the other 3 seats, 6 people, with surrey top. Where do I start looking for infant seats that will work in a buggy????? They are serious, and I thought it would be a good gift from their uncle.
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Mark - IN.

11-04-2004 16:05:12




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 Re: Way OT, not about the election in reply to Loren-MN, 11-04-2004 08:10:33  
Look the buggies over and make one yourself, it'll mean more to them. People have been riding horses and in buggies for a lot longer than any of us have been alive, and will for far longer than any of us have been dead, when we die.

As far as I know, Indiana doesn't require infant seats in buggies, nor have I ever seen one used - surrounded by Amish. Not saying it's a bad idea, just never seen one used.

Yep, horses and buggies usually lose when confronting cars or trucks. So do bicycles, pedestrians, people getting their mail, people standing in their own yard, from time to time people sleeping in their own beds. Where will it end? Forgot motorcycles, people in other vehicals, bicycles with infant seats mounted on the back, strollers near intersections, children on airplanes... What I view as chancey, someone else may not, and vica-versa. Life is a gamble full of uncertainties.

They have horses and buggies, and I'm sure will love and protect their children as much as people without horses and buggies, perhaps even more, so enjoy being a part of it.

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Leland

11-04-2004 19:58:32




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 Re: Way OT, not about the election in reply to Mark - IN., 11-04-2004 16:05:12  
Mark you are right about car-truck accidents with buggies ,Amish teens get a little drunk passout the horse knows his way home he just can't read the stop signs.



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Mark - IN.

11-05-2004 05:52:26




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 Re: Way OT, not about the election in reply to Leland , 11-04-2004 19:58:32  
Leland, I"ve got to admit that I"m extra careful around them buggies - some never stop for stop signs out by me, and some do. One thing that I"m extra careful about is passing one when approaching crossroads or driveways - have a tendency to shoot from the right shoulder, across the road, all in one motion without warning. Everyone loses under those circumstances.

Have a great weekend Leland. Time for me to head down to Kankakee for some repairs before the weekend.

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Leland

11-05-2004 21:23:27




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 Re: Way OT, not about the election in reply to Mark - IN., 11-05-2004 05:52:26  
You to. but your right about there driving habits, I like the ones that won't turn on lights at night go to pass and when you pull out heres one coming at you without lights also. and the bicycles are even worse.



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RN

11-04-2004 13:21:32




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 Re: Way OT, not about the election in reply to Loren-MN, 11-04-2004 08:10:33  
A bit of bad news from Wisconsin- yesterdays paper- Amish family buggy hit by pickup, 2 dead, 2 more in hospital. Ocasionaly read similar reports from Iowa, Missourie,Pennsylvania. Check for clamshell/front protection fold baby seat that provids some protection from ejection from vehicle. have seen advertised for up to 3 year olds. RN



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RZ(WA)

11-04-2004 12:16:46




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 Re: Way OT, not about the election in reply to Loren-MN, 11-04-2004 08:10:33  
No offense meant, but that is one scary thought. But, if they are that unwillling to consider the safety and life of their kids, a person might look into NHRA or NASCAR roll cage specifications. I've seen what happens to a replication stage-coach when hit by a pickup truck and it ain't pretty. At best, it was hard to distinguish between four-legged and two-legged parts.



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greenbeanman in KS, near

11-04-2004 12:15:16




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 Differing opinion in reply to Loren-MN, 11-04-2004 08:10:33  
It is my belief that car seat/infant carriers provide a cocoon of protection, however I would allow them to fly free in a buggy accident, not have them strapped down.

You may wish to contact the National Safety Council for their recommendations as to such.

You could also contact Lehman Hardware which sells buggies to see if they might have them should you choose to go that route.

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Mike (WA)

11-04-2004 12:14:44




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 Re: Way OT, not about the election in reply to Loren-MN, 11-04-2004 08:10:33  
I think some of the infant seats wrap around the child enough to provide some "cage" protection. I think most any seat would fit, with the proper belts. I think it is a fine idea- sometimes we just get too hung up on always being safe, under all circumstances. Millions of kids survived buggy rides without any protection, and later in cars without belts, carseats, or anything (I'd like a dollar for every mile I rode in the back of the Buick, standing up holding onto the "rope" that went from one side of the front seat back to the other). Obviously, you have to have some common sense about risks for your children, but I don't believe the slow speeds of a buggy on a back road would be too risky, especially with a good car seat.

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Sloroll

11-04-2004 11:39:45




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 Re: Way OT, not about the election in reply to Loren-MN, 11-04-2004 08:10:33  
If they are bent on taking the kids along on their rides and as I agree with the others on the safety of a buggy where a child seat would come in handy, perhaps you could fabricate a roll cage that an infant seat could be put in. something that if ejected from the buggy would roll and protect. It may be a lot of work but... may really pay off. There may be a market for that kind of device too.

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Bill WI

11-04-2004 11:04:22




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 Re: Way OT, not about the election in reply to Loren-MN, 11-04-2004 08:10:33  
Have to agree with last post, did you ever read what happens when a Amish buggy and cars, trucks collide? Even well trained horses aren't 100% when it comes to bolting when something goes wrong even off road. Do the best for them and offer to watch them while Mom and Dad take a ride.



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Mattlt

11-04-2004 10:13:14




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 Re: Way OT, not about the election in reply to Loren-MN, 11-04-2004 08:10:33  
I think I'd look for a different gift.

A vehicle provides a lot of protection in the event of a rollover. A buggy does not. A child, in a car seat in a vehicle, that's gone through a rollover USUALLY is not hurt severely. I don't think it would be the same in a buggy.

In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say it would probably be better for the child to be thrown from the buggy, rather than be strapped into it and crushed. The infant seat itself just doesn't provide enough protection.

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thurlow

11-04-2004 08:16:11




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 Re: Way OT, not about the election in reply to Loren-MN, 11-04-2004 08:10:33  
Personally, I don't have a clue, but.....how about checking with people who use buggies; maybe the Amish???



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JMS/MN

11-04-2004 08:14:13




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 Re: Way OT, not about the election in reply to Loren-MN, 11-04-2004 08:10:33  
Most infant seats are meant to be secured with seat belts in cars. Can you just add belts to the buggy?



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