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Filling tires with fluid

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J.D. Jim A

10-31-2004 18:20:37




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Just how would a guy get fluid in there? I've got one with 18.4x34's with no fluid, thinking about filling them with windsheild washer fluid. How many gallons would it take to get them 3/4 full?




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kraigWy

11-01-2004 06:06:44




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 Re: Filling tires with fluid in reply to J.D. Jim A, 10-31-2004 18:20:37  
I use a lot of large bales and on uneven ground I would consider not filling the tires. I have about 1000 lbs in each rear tire on my 4020. I use calcium cloride but if you are concerned about corosion go to a quick lube place and get some used anti freeze, cheap and not as hard on the wheel it it leaks/



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Indydirtfarmer

11-01-2004 04:14:08




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 Re: Filling tires with fluid in reply to J.D. Jim A, 10-31-2004 18:20:37  
Aside from "preidential opinions", fluid in tractor tires is one of the hottest "issues" on this site. Some believe in it, others don't...The ones that DO use it have many idea's about WHAT fluid you should use.

You asked a specific question, so I'm assuming you have already made up your mind to put fluid in yours.

I use windshield washer solution in mine too. In a perfect world, I'd probably opt for cast weights. But we all know it isn't perfect. They tend to loosen up, and rattle around. They're expensive to buy now that steel prices shot through the roof.

Fluid is relatively cheap. It is effective. I have found that I get enough weight from the winshield solvent to reach the desired weight. CaCl will make for MORE weight, but in most cases, you end up with more than you really need anyway. (In the case of loader tractors, you almost can't have too much weight)

I buy my Windshield solution in 55 gallon drums, from NAPA. I get it for around $.52 a gallon that way. I bought a fitting from NAPA that allows a garden hose connection to the tractor tube. It has a built in air bleed valve. They sell a MUCH more expensive valve that allows you to remove and re-install the valve core without loosing a drop of fluid. That is particularly nice if you're using CaCl. (It keeps it from spilling onto your rims when starting and stopping the "fill"). I bought a "TEEL" stainless steel chemical pump from W.W.Grainger. It allows me to pump in and out of the tire, at a rate that will fill an 18.4 X 34 tire in about 30 minutes. The valve, 2 pieces of garden hose, the pump, and a stainless steel air gauge set me back about $125. That will pay for itself in a couple tire repairs, over the cost of having it done by a tire shop. The pump means I can do all of this without the need for elevating my barrels of fluid. That allows me to fill or emty a tire almost anywhere. (I've had a number of flats out in the field. All I need is a generator to power the pump)

I've seen a number of "air powered pumps" in tire service shops. They will suck every last drop of fluid out of a tube when doing a repair. My system leaves a gallon or so, but it is easily drained once the tube is removed from the tire.

Hope this helps. John

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JMS/MN

10-31-2004 20:32:20




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 Re: Filling tires with fluid in reply to J.D. Jim A, 10-31-2004 18:20:37  
You need proper threaded connections on a hose between your tire and tank. Can transfer by gravity, or by air compressor if the outlet on the tank has a drop tube that goes near to the bottom of the tank, and you slightly pressurize the tank. When checking tire pressure on a fluid-filled tire you want to have the valve near the top of the tire- otherwise fluid gets into the pressure gauge and corrodes it. Other posters tell how many gallons and pounds are involved.

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EDchainsaw

10-31-2004 19:41:20




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 Re: Filling tires with fluid in reply to J.D. Jim A, 10-31-2004 18:20:37  
JUST SAY NO! dont do it!

I know sometimes you think you need the weight. Just use the cast iron.

Mostly because they leak and are a mess if you get a flat. AND did you know you have to use a different air gauge when checking them. and the next person that owns the tractor might not want it in there...



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buickanddeere

11-01-2004 18:09:46




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 Re: Filling tires with fluid in reply to EDchainsaw, 10-31-2004 19:41:20  
While cast weights only is ideal. There are times with two wheel drive loader tractors that fluid in the rear tires becomes a necessary evil. Windshield washer fluid is the least toxic and won't cause corrosion.



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buickanddeere

11-01-2004 16:59:59




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 Re: Filling tires with fluid in reply to EDchainsaw, 10-31-2004 19:41:20  
While cast weights only is ideal. There are times with two wheel drive loader tractors that fluid in the rear tires becomes a necessary evil. Use the windshield washer fluid as it's the least toxic and won't cause corrosion.



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Van in AR

11-01-2004 04:54:03




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 Re: Filling tires with fluid in reply to EDchainsaw, 10-31-2004 19:41:20  
The "Next person that owns the tractor may not want it there" Tough nuggies for them
Van



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Dave Sherburne, NY

10-31-2004 19:39:48




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 Re: Filling tires with fluid in reply to J.D. Jim A, 10-31-2004 18:20:37  
I just took 90 gallons out of an 18.4 x30 I purchased a tool from Gemplers called a Quick fill Tractor Tire Attachment. item No.
AQF 1 for $13.95 It is designed to let the air out as the fluid goes in. My Plan is to put the
55 gallon barrels on the back of the truck, drive the truck up on the loading dock and park tractor on the lower level. Then jack the tire up
so it barely touches the ground, and let the fluid gravity flow back in. Check out that link listed above that shows how to use the $95 tool.

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old

10-31-2004 19:33:58




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 Re: Filling tires with fluid in reply to J.D. Jim A, 10-31-2004 18:20:37  
By the way if you would like you can send me an e-mail and I'll scan that page in that manual so you will have the step by step way of doing it like they did in 1935. Or for that matter any body else can also do so if you guys want



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old

10-31-2004 19:18:26




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 Re: Filling tires with fluid in reply to J.D. Jim A, 10-31-2004 18:20:37  
Heres a way they did it back in 1935 as per my owner manual for my 35 JD-B. You have a drum in this case 55 gallion and you put it up high say around 8 feet off the ground. It has a shut off on it and you hook up a hose that goes to your tire stem and let gravity fill the tire for you. I have also used a drill pump to fill tires its slow but cheaper then paying some one to do it.



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Bob

10-31-2004 18:50:33




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 Re: Filling tires with fluid in reply to J.D. Jim A, 10-31-2004 18:20:37  
Here's a site that shows HOW to do it, I believe somewhere on that Firestone site is link to a chart of gallons needed.



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Bob

10-31-2004 19:03:45




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 Re: Filling tires with fluid in reply to Bob, 10-31-2004 18:50:33  
Here's the capacity chart:



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Davey S

10-31-2004 23:39:35




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 Re: Filling tires with fluid in reply to Bob, 10-31-2004 19:03:45  
sounds like a lot of money and work to fill tires. out in oregon we just go to a napa store and buy the fitting that connects the garden hose to the tire valve stem, $10 tops, not $90! we useually don't use calcium in tires anymore, water freezes at 32F, but it takes several weeks to freeze 60 gal of water or more, especially if it is in an enclosed shop or a dirt floor barn. just run water in for a while, pull the hose off to let the air escape, run in more water. a great way to add weight to the front or rear of a tractor without making it wider or longer. water also makes it easier to find the leak sometimes. and since it is pure water, just let it run out on the ground to "recycle" it. tire places charge an arm, leg, and firstborn to pump calcuim in and out of tires.

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