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OT: Value of unmade hay??

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Rauville

10-27-2004 08:00:43




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Hi Everyone;
Need your advice and comments on a situation between us and an area farmer that puts up our hay. We have about 100+ acres some distance from us of alfalfa and upland hay ground that we have put up on shares (2/3-1/3). In addition, we furnish 2 tractors, rakes, mower, baler, trailers for him to use at his convenience. He provides the necessary maintenance required on the equipment. He also uses his own machinery that is necessary during the haying season.

This year, I assumed that everything was proceeding without problems...until this past weekend, when he informed me that about 40 acres of good hay ground never got cut or baled.

This is a good, hard working fellow that is just spread too thin, so I believe him when he tells me that: "He just couldn't get to it". He proceeded to tell me: "To figure up what I think I have coming, and he will settle up."

I don't want to let this affect our working relationship; but, I hesitate to just let it slide by as well. My question is: Should I go ahead and arrive at a nominal figure for loss of income, and if so; how do you value uncut crop? Just guess at the number of bales that could have been made times a dollar amount...or?

Thanks for your help.

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buickanddeere

10-27-2004 13:35:02




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 Re: OT: Value of unmade hay?? in reply to Rauville, 10-27-2004 08:00:43  
I have to still wonder why he was lacking enough "time" to pickup the phone and tell you weeks ago? He either lacks some or all of ambition, bravery or responsibility?



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FarmerDave

10-27-2004 11:50:08




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 Re: OT: Value of unmade hay?? in reply to Rauville, 10-27-2004 08:00:43  
Is there any chance you could graze the forage?

It makes a difference in damages. For sure one of the problems in farming is just about everything goes wrong.



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john in la

10-27-2004 10:51:39




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 Re: OT: Value of unmade hay?? in reply to Rauville, 10-27-2004 08:00:43  
You really need to know the man and the entire situation to answer this question.
OK he is a nice guy and is stretched to thin and the weather was not the best this year.
BUT does he only cut your hay. Does he have any cash land he does for others.

With this info I would say if he only cuts for you then you have a share deal. You win but you also lose right along with the tenant.

But on the other hand if he has cash land from others I would want some compensation. At least the taxes (or half) as another has said. The reason being is I have seen tenants that have some cash land and some share land work the cash land only in a hard year. They know they have to pay for the cash land anyway so they do it first. While you should share in the loss because you have share land you should not have to take a loss because he is working other land for cash and did not get to yours.

Bottom line you need to know how this guy has treated you in the past and why he did not cut your land. At the very least I would demand that he bush hog the grass to prepare it for next years hay and to knock down any weeds that may be in the field. No use letting all the weeds go to seed and putting you in the hole more.

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Mike (WA)

10-27-2004 10:39:19




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 Re: OT: Value of unmade hay?? in reply to Rauville, 10-27-2004 08:00:43  
Guess I'd let it go, but with the understanding that if he gets behind the 8 ball again, let you know in enough time so you might have a chance to salvage the situation. Since you apparently own enough equipment for the job (and presuming he doesn't take your equipment off your place to do other jobs), you might could have hired someone else to run it and get the job done, if you'd known in time.

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dhermesc

10-27-2004 11:28:31




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 Re: OT: Value of unmade hay?? in reply to Mike (WA), 10-27-2004 10:39:19  
I agree with Mike for the most part. There's a lot of guys who got behind this year (my brother being one of them) but was he so G.D. busy he couldn't pick up a phone and let you know what was happening so you could salvage something? Drive by HIS hay fields and see if they where all cut this year. If they where he's abusing your contract. If that is the case I'd chalk up the loss to experience and never rent to him again.

If he also had cash rent and owned land that didn't get cut I forget about trying to get anything out of him but let him know that under no circumstances would your business relationship sustain another no-call no-show.

It happens that that sometimes time and weather go against you no matter how hard you try, but to not even make a simple phone call is what makes me really question this guy.

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thurlow

10-27-2004 10:09:22




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 Re: OT: Value of unmade hay?? in reply to Rauville, 10-27-2004 08:00:43  
I agree (totally) with John and Jhill; have dealt with dozens of landlords through the years..... renting on shares and for cash. In my part of the country, the two situations are handled completely differently; if it"s rented for cash, the rent is owed...NO MATTER WHAT. If it"s rented on shares, both parties share in the profit (or loss)..... .



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Punchie

10-27-2004 10:05:52




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 Re: OT: Value of unmade hay?? in reply to Rauville, 10-27-2004 08:00:43  
Well this is a rough one. I guess I would say go with the past dealings.
Is he taking good care of the equipment?
Did he bale nice hay?
Does he clean up around the place?
Or is he in it just for a dollar?

Yes if he is overworked and not doing good with the weather, I can understand not making the hay, BUT MAYBE HE SOULD HAVE TOLD YOU BEFORE THIS ???

Have a Good One !!

Teddy



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Indydirtfarmer

10-27-2004 09:27:20




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 Re: OT: Value of unmade hay?? in reply to Rauville, 10-27-2004 08:00:43  
I went through much the same thing a few years back on shares of a corn crop. (Last time I did anything other than cash rent) I had 190 acres to rent or share. It wouldn't quit raining. I never managed to get a crop in the ground on this acreage. Fortunatly, the land owner thought the same way most all the replies did. He shared in the loss, just like he would have the gain if there would have been one.

That's what honesty and character are all about....John

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Allan in NE

10-27-2004 08:19:20




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 Re: OT: Value of unmade hay?? in reply to Rauville, 10-27-2004 08:00:43  
Rau,

Boy, I think I'd bite the bullet and let this one go.

I don't know where you guys are located, but this was a bad year for everyone making hay on accout of the darned weather.

Why screw up a good relationship over something that just could not be helped and probably wasn't the guys fault?

Now on the other hand, if you are located here close by me, tell him to 'go to' and give me the contract. :>)

Allan

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Jay (ND)

10-27-2004 08:33:42




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 Re: OT: Value of unmade hay?? in reply to Allan in NE, 10-27-2004 08:19:20  
I agree with Allan. However, if you do want some compensation, I would put the ball in his court. Something like, Gee Howard, I don't know, whatever you think is fair. Or, What do you think is fair?

This would also help tell you just what kind of man he is, and if you should be looking for another.



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Jhill

10-27-2004 09:08:26




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 Re: OT: Value of unmade hay?? in reply to Jay (ND), 10-27-2004 08:33:42  
In a share crop situation you both have to share the risk so how about asking him to cover the taxes or at least split them.



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