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farmerboybill

10-14-2004 21:28:13




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... Let's think up some solutions.

I've been thinking all day about how we can add value to our commodities and hopefully keep prices up even as other parts of the world start to realize thier potential for production.

1. Put 20-40% ethanol into every gallon of gasoline while finding more efficient ways to produce it.

2. Put 60-80% soy diesel into every gallon of diesel fuel as we develop more efficient ways to produce it.

3. Put wind turbines on every acre of land(this would supplement income from the crops).

4. Legalize Hemp and create factories to process it into paper, fabric, manufactured lumber, insulation, beer, etc, etc

5. Build factories to make this biodegradable plastic from corn I used to hear so much about.

6. Add your solution here...

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tlak

10-15-2004 07:37:51




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 Re: Now that we've addressed the problem... in reply to farmerboybill, 10-14-2004 21:28:13  
Unless the oil companies can monopolize it, it wont never happen.
The various Arabic oil producers wont let other countries in to check or wont divulge the quantity oil left. Some or the alternative fuels need to have the production processes put in place now.



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Davis In SC

10-14-2004 22:18:47




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 Re: Now that we've addressed the problem... in reply to farmerboybill, 10-14-2004 21:28:13  
Once we stop using oil from the Middle-East, they will have no income, so we will have to feed them..... Sounds like a no-win situation to me.



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Broke 'n' Dumb

10-15-2004 05:37:40




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 Re:addressing the Middle East problem... in reply to Davis In SC, 10-14-2004 22:18:47  
Feed 'em? Let 'em eat sand and learn to like it!



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JMS/MN

10-15-2004 08:58:43




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 Re:addressing the Middle East problem... in reply to Broke 'n' Dumb, 10-15-2004 05:37:40  
They'll never starve, because of all the sand wiches there.



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John (MO)

10-15-2004 05:16:01




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 Re: Now that we've addressed the problem... in reply to TimFL, 10-14-2004 21:56:25  
I knew someone would think Kerry could solve the worlds problems.

That dog won"t hunt.



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farmerboybill

10-14-2004 22:04:05




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 Re: Now that we've addressed the problem... in reply to TimFL, 10-14-2004 21:56:25  
I thought all you neocons didn't like regulation... Guess you do when it's in your interest. You give moderate conservatives like me a bad name. I really didn't want this to get political. Thanks, pal.

Oh, and thanks for crapping on the last ten topics as well.

I hope everyone else can look past Tims post and my reply and come up with some viable ideas instead of having a crap slinging match.

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Les...fortunate

10-15-2004 04:17:31




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 Re: Now that we've addressed the problem... in reply to farmerboybill, 10-14-2004 22:04:05  
"Moderate conservative" eh? There's a new one on me.



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Edchainsaw

10-15-2004 21:35:24




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 Re: We're not gonna get past this, eh? in reply to farmerboybill, 10-15-2004 05:54:10  
With you farmerbill....

you talk about a Dog that will not hunt...



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Les...fortunate

10-15-2004 09:38:01




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 Re: We're not gonna get past this, eh? in reply to farmerboybill, 10-15-2004 05:54:10  
Can't "legislate morality", eh? I guess that's why there's no laws against murder, robbery, fraud, perjury..... .since those are all moral issues.



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Les

10-15-2004 04:26:40




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 Re: Now that we've addressed the problem... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-15-2004 04:23:36  
If there is, there must be moderate moderates, too. I think they are the ones who can't make up their minds about anything.



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RN

10-14-2004 22:28:57




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 Re: Now that we've addressed the problem... in reply to farmerboybill, 10-14-2004 22:04:05  
Bill: as re Tims #4 hemp- probbly have some troubles, split the difference on legalize/enforcement and have THC a persription drug? Can then get a useful crop of fiber to supplement cotton. Consider more organic, low chemical farm practices and direct marketing of produce locally? Finally as I've said before-go Amish, or at least take a few lessons in reduce costs, substitute labor for capital, diversify crops. RN.

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farmerboybill

10-14-2004 23:04:11




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 Re: Now that we've addressed the problem... in reply to RN, 10-14-2004 22:28:57  
Well, if we really hafta dive into this...

Hemp and marijuana are related but so is sorghum and corn. The THC level in hemp is .005% what it is in Mary Jane. All it will give the smoker is a headache. Further, THC, the hallucigenic drug in Marijuana, is strongest in the female bud. Beings they're so closely related in species, they will pollinate each other much like rye and wheat can. When marijuana is planted in a field of hemp, they crosspollinate and greatly reduce the potency of the marijuana. Guys who grow the stuff in thier basement must eliminate male plants or risk losing thier crop.

In case someone missed why I brought up hemp - more acres of hemp, less acres of corn and soy. Diversification, ain't it grand? It won't offset the cotton growers as it can be used for paper and I have not heard of cotton being used as such.

Direct marketing, now thats a great idea. I engage in that myself but try getting a farmer in Kansas to sell his wheat to the locals in Kansas City or an Illinoisan to sell his corn in downtown Chicago... It's not viable for everyone but it is a solution for some.

Reducing inputs is a good idea but try telling the guy with 15000 acres of corn to rotary hoe, rotary hoe, cultivate, cultivate, cultivate, cultivate.

Substituting capital for labor works well...if you're in Brazil where the average guy works for 50 bucks a month. My last paycheck for two weeks labor running tractor was 1900 bucks after taxes.

I'm sorry. I shouldn't be picking apart your ideas. They really are good ideas, I'm just analyzing the best way I know how. Feel free to anayze mine the same way.

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Indydirtfarmer

10-15-2004 07:08:30




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 Re: Now that we've addressed the problem... in reply to farmerboybill, 10-14-2004 23:04:11  
Assuming you work for a "legal" farm, (and not a dope, er, hemp farm) and they're taking out tax's, you would be making about $75,000 a year, "running a tractor". Now I'm not the ultimate farmer, but I know what farm wages are like. I know there's NO FARM IN AMERICA paying those kind of wages.

Your story holds as much water as your sales pitch on hemp, Cheech. John



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farmerboybill

10-15-2004 14:35:51




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 Re: Now that we've addressed the problem... in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 10-15-2004 07:08:30  
No, I make 45 grand a year but most of the year I'm running a sprayer for an agronomy center. My last paycheck was with 100 hours overtime in two weeks. It was an exception, not the rule.

Why am I getting so much flak? I think you're a smart guy, just with a different viewpoint. Have I somehow insulted your family name or something? Cut me some slack.



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RN

10-15-2004 17:07:36




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 Re: Now that we've addressed the problem... in reply to farmerboybill, 10-15-2004 14:35:51  
You're getting flak because some people like to liven up the day with a bit of teasing. This gives you an opportunity to comment back and tease them. About your 100 hour overtime- this is seed corn picking job? BTDT. My time card once blew payroll program- hour field had 2 spaces, couldn't work with more than 99 hours. RN.



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RN

10-14-2004 23:46:05




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 Re: Now that we've addressed the problem... in reply to farmerboybill, 10-14-2004 23:04:11  
Bill: Hash oils are often distilled from rope hemp tops- supposedly not the best but still marketable and used as medicine in India and middle east. Large farms will continue to use chemicals and big machines, but a little of French pattern subsidies for small farms would encourage some more people to get back to country, Farmers markets would increase a bit also, small scale food processing food would increase in some areas, medium/large scale gardening would increase in some areas and lesson demand from large irrigated farms in southwest and mexico. This wouldn't be a huge change overall, but would help a bit. Some examples strangly enough are Cuba, Bulgaria, Rumania- Factory farms/collectives that lost Russian chemical supply, oil, markets reverted somewhat to organic/traditional farming practices because they couldn't continue intense market cropping. Ukraine farming was featured couple months back in sunday paper- noted feature was military transport and troops leased to farms, pasture graze instead of feedlots, increased vegatables grown on large farms as part of rotation. Ukraine isn't going hungry overall, not sending rye and wheat to Russia, has some small cheese factories starting, taking lessons from Poles on meat processing for markets. Something to think about. RN

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Jerry Cent. Mi.

10-15-2004 04:55:23




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 Re: Now that we've addressed the problem... in reply to RN, 10-14-2004 23:46:05  
We get our bio. up to 20% like Kerry wants and all our good productive land will be used for it only and we can buy our food from the Sudan and the like.



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